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JonSmith Ulster councill would have more and likely missed it as they would have just put team sheats in folder as it would not have been the first time or last this has happened . It was a adult game and they where gong to trawl through team sheat as team was put in thursday nit before game and ulster council did not cop it.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/12/2010 19:40:06    836081

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An Ulster Council member recognised Keenan as he played with the Ulster Under 16 team earlier this year and played brilliantly beating Connacht almost on his own. How do you think Swad found out what age the young guy was??
The Ulster Council came across the breach and notified Swad to give them the opportunity to object, had Swad not objected they would have just continued on with the investigation and the result would have been exactly the same. It's in the rulebook I can post the section if you'd like.
I realise this doesn't sit well with the "Swad are sore losers and are robbing Corduff of an Ulster title" theory that you and the rest are coming out with on here but it's fact Dell. You may not agree with Swad putting in an objection, fair enough, but the fact of the matter is that it has no effect on the disciplinary procedure. Absolutely none.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 20/12/2010 20:00:34    836093

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JonSmith Sorry was not aware ulster councill found out first so my next quiestion would why did they wait till after the game as they got team sheats on the thursday nite ? if they knew this player he would have been on the team sheet so really ulster council must take some blame .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/12/2010 20:04:39    836099

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Dell, would you read the bloody posts. JonSmith stated that a member of the Ulster council recognised the lad. Now I'm not aware that the clubs send in photos with their teamsheets and who is to say that the Ulster council representative even saw the teamsheets. The bottom line is that there is a rule in place, it has been broken and the relevant penalty should be applied. It appears that referees in the association are of the view that the rules should be implemented on only certain occasions.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 20/12/2010 20:15:12    836111

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omaghredhand The ulster council should have checked it as the team sheat that has to be sent to them has to be added with date of births on the thursday nite this is my point . Now on the reffing you do not understand you cant always go by the rule book to much or you never stop blowing up things common sense or even better do not become a ref you get killed .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/12/2010 20:20:58    836114

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The meeting is on after Christmas! This is poor form now!

niterider (USA) - Posts: 32 - 20/12/2010 21:54:17    836189

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Dell I'm not familiar with the internal workings of the Ulster Council but even if they got the team sheet and didn't go through the dates of birth of every player then so what?? All clubs were informed of the rule so they are entitled to assume the clubs are abiding by that rule.
Why are you so keen to put the blame on Swad and the Ulster council and not the club that broke the rule?!
Also I'd think it prudent of you to retract your earlier statement that Swad were the one's who were causing Corduff to be stripped of the title as we now know they are not.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 21/12/2010 12:28:41    836311

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JonSmith I told you i was unaware it was ulster council that copped it but what are these boys getting paid for ? it is there job to look at the team sheets . Now the team that gets beat in a game and if told about this rule they should just say we where beat so leave it at that but to object then withdraw to try and take the blame else where is wrong . Sore losers and they knew what there where doing.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/12/2010 15:33:52    836464

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Dell they didn't withdraw the objection, they are still pushing for a replay and, naturally, are refusing the Ulster Cup and medals. But if they didn't object Corduff would still lose the title. You think they are sore losers, you're entitled to your opinion, but saying earlier that Swad were the cause of the investigation here is simply untrue.

I would suggest you should be man enough to admit you were wrong in saying Swad did the damage to Corduff and perhaps find your way to apologise to any Swad people who read the lies you posted about their club in this thread.. So are you big enough to admit you were talking about the situation without knowing the actual facts or not? Careful now with your reply Dellboy because you're in danger of losing your credibility here..

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 21/12/2010 17:07:39    836545

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Jon if Corduff are going to lose the title in other words be thrown out which is the penalty for this particular rule breach who are Swad seeking a replay with if Corduff are fired outta the competition ?.

I don't think Swad have anything to be ashamed off because it was Corduff who broke the rules and not them.

Corduff cheated and got caught simple as that.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 21/12/2010 17:27:34    836566

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JonSmith

I will not be saying sorry as i am standing by my comments on this as they could have said to ulster council we where beat and leave it at that , and i am sure they did withdraw the objection but there club could clarify tha or not . The ulster council should have took some blame when they recieved the date of births after all that is part of there job and getting paid for . And what lies did i post ? you not telling vibs on this one as you told me ulster council copped it and i said i was not aware of that but believed you so not sure what your on about there .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/12/2010 17:28:58    836570

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Buford Swad I assume are asking the Ulster Council to show some leniency and allow Corduff a replay because it is the best outcome for both teams involved and would leave a less bitter feeling about the whole thing. But it's very unlikely that they will grant it.

Dell: It takes bravery to admit when you are wrong and it appears you don't have that. Fair enough. Should you ever want to redeem yourself a simple apology to the people of Swad on this thread would suffice. Good day to you sir.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 21/12/2010 17:49:25    836601

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JonSmith You still did not answer my quiestion what did i lie about ? Also you b waiting a long time before i say sorry as i have nothing to say sorry for ...await your answer to my quiestion.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/12/2010 17:54:02    836610

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Dell, You have consistently accused Swad of being bad losers. Now you've been told this already on many many many occasions and I will repeat it one last time. Corduff broke the rules set down by the GAA. They have caused this entire situation, not Swad. Maybe you know someone from Swad or maybe you do not, but I agree 100% with Jon that you owe all Swad people a big apology for these accusations.

Every Swad player shook hands with their Corduff counterparts after the game and congratulated them on their win. The Swad lads also stayed on the pitch for the presentation of the cup. Does that really sound like a bad loser to you? When the rule breaking incident broke the following day, naturally, the Swad Committee investigated it and placed their objection, but please stop calling these lads bad losers. They have done absolutely nothing wrong here. Almost 12 months training, making sacrifices, showing total commitment....that is what those lads have done.

Have an opinion by all means, but stop with the accusations.

Vegas_baby1 (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 21/12/2010 19:31:06    836702

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vegas how is calling a team sore losers a accusation ? please expain as it is my and others view us this if you like it or not , it was not the worst thing to be broken and no objection should have been made . I will make my selve quite clear now i will not be saying sorry so get over it ok , as my views are entitled and posts also refuse to blame ulster council for this as there is a reason why team sheets are sent to them before games and one reason is to check names and ages .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/12/2010 19:46:05    836712

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Dell, here are a few reminders of some of your posts over the past few days:

1. "I believe if a team is beaten in this way they should take there beating and it is a stupid rule because if a 16 year old is good enough to play adult football let him. So sore losers in this case objection to a young lad , come on now take the defeat on the chin". 16/12/10 - CLEARLY AN ACCUSATION OF SWAD BEING SORE LOSERS

2. "If a player is good enough for that level at 16 let him play no point letting them wait and yes it is a stupid rule , they should take there beating fair and square" 16/12/10 - THAT'S THE POINT DELL, THIS RESULT WAS NOT FAIR BECAUSE RULES WERE BROKEN

3. "Managers will not go out and get young players hurt ad this 16 year like others could be alot stronger for there age than others , so yes stupid rule and what is even more stupid a team objection to this" 16/12/10 - DELL, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CLUBS SHOULD FEEL STUPID FOR OBJECTING TO RULE BREAKING…HARDLY A GOOD MESSAGE TO BE PUTTING OUT THERE

4. "But if a team is beat they should just leave it at that , and yes rules are rules but to be fair this is not a major rule to be fair , other teams had bigger cases but no replays or no objections" 16/12/10 - DELL, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER THE RULES ARE "MAJOR" OR "MINOR" BUT ANY COMPETENT ORGANISATION DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HOW TRIVIAL OR SERIOUS RULES ARE, I.E. RULES ARE RULES

5. "Yes rules have to be followed however this team are very sore losers and could have let it go , and do not start this rubbish bout player welfare as players are well looked after by clubs etc and if someone is a great footballer at 16 let him play , before this rule was brought in canavan played senior at 15 never did him anyharm" 17/12/10. - ANOTHER ACCUSATION OF SWAD BEING SORE LOSERS. SO A TEAM TRAINS HARD ALL YEAR, SHOWS 110% COMMITMENT AND THEN SHOULD "LET IT GO" AS YOU SAY, WHEN ANOTHER TEAMS CLEARLY BREAKS THE RULES -OUTSTANDING STUFF DELL

Dell, I won't even go into your peculiar definitions on "player insurance", because I don't want to be responsible for encouraging 16 year olds to break GAA rules. So I'll stop there to save you any more embarrassment. There are so many holes in your arguments I haven't the time to pick through them all, so please do yourself a favour and just apologise to the good people of SWAD. You still have time to redeem yourself. As the saying goes, "to err is human, to forgive is divine" and the people of SWAD will forgive you.

Vegas_baby1 (Cavan) - Posts: 10 - 22/12/2010 10:27:54    836849

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Maith thú Vegas Baby, excellent retort

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/12/2010 14:12:01    836984

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Everything aside, what a daft thing for the Corduff management to do, in an Ulster final of all games. I truly feel sorry for the other Corduff lads that have been stripped of their medal because of this. I also feel sorry for Swad for being put in the position where they have to object to this rule being broken. A replay is the only fair way of dealing with this.

CC1 (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 22/12/2010 16:44:01    837110

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Vegas you made 5 points all the same so not sure why you wasted your time doing that does not makes sense . Now you need to look up the word accusation because clearly you do not know the meaning of it as i expressed they where sore losers that is my view not accusation ,

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/12/2010 17:18:45    837134

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Vegas baby hold on here accusation is not under giving your views so clearly your wrong on this and you made 5 points but you say more and less the same thing in all five.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/12/2010 17:40:19    837148

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