Dells philosophy would appear to be that it's ok for some to break the rules but not ok for others to challenge these law breakers.

BallsMcQ (USA) - Posts: 941 - 17/12/2010 16:20:00    834608

Common sense when your reffing a game as sometimes if you play by the rule book it could destroy a game . Your point on lad getting his jaw broke that could happen to anyone and club would pay out if they thought anything off player

It isnt the club that covers insurance payouts, it is Croke park. You say you are a ref?

Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts: 293 - 17/12/2010 16:21:11    834610

my god dell dont be using canavan as an example that was a long time ago and he is an exceptional talent and it was wrong then as it is now , i played adult hurling when i was 15 and to be honest it done me more harm than good , now if this kid gets hurt and say his medical fee runs into tens of thousands you think a club can afford this well the club would be wide open to been sued by the childs parents , you already started a thread about how clubs are finding paying insurance hard well think before you type and before you manage a team please leard the code of conduct

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 17/12/2010 16:28:20    834617

Steve
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 55


You should really read the posts before making comment ok , of course croke park are over insurance but under 16 are not covered in senior for insurance so if a club risks a 16 year old and gets hurts they would pay his bills now read before making comment in future .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/12/2010 16:44:07    834627

BallsMcQ Your county knows bout that but will not apply the rules on cat 5 offences or serious breaches with fans .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/12/2010 16:47:10    834631

77981301 you didn't play under a responsible manager. Firstly no responsible manager would pick a sixteen year old teenager and play him in an adult match. Secondly a responsible manager would know the rules and not play a sixteen year old teenager illegally. Thirdly the fact that you volunteered to play proves my point that this rule is needed to protect young players from themselves. I never said that young Keenan should be fine to play in sixteen days. The age at which young footballers should be eligible to play adult is a matter of opinion. I believe young footballers should become eligible to play for adult teams on the first of January in the year after they are no longer eligible to play minor. In other words the the first of January in the year after they become eighteen. No eighteen year old should be allowed to play at senior inter county level.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 17/12/2010 17:06:02    834647

How can anybody on this site say that Swanlinbar are sore losers, or that they should be ashamed of themselves. Never mind talking about the people posting on here, most players in Ireland will never get to play in a Provincial Final. You cannot judge Swad, (who have done nothing wrong) until you put yourself in their position. It's a very small rural village with a very small pick and at most about 20 players capable of playing at 'A' grade. They cannot even field an underage team at most ages without joining with their neighbouring club. Now I know a lot of clubs in the country can say the same, but these clubs aren't in this position so not one of them can comment on what their Committees would or would not do under these circumstances.

Swad have an exceptionally talented 15 year old player who turned up for training at the start of the season only to be told that he couldn't play with the Adult squad because of the rules. This guy is certainly good enough to play and indeed impact greatly on a game at Junior level.

Now you start training in January, you have trained for 11 months. Every single person in the club has made sacrifices all year and I know there are 100s of other clubs in the country who have done the same but as I said before - they're not in this situation. You get to an Ulster final and not one player performs, not one. The whole team are disappointed with themselves as they didn't do themselves justice. 11 months of sacrifice to go out with a whimper. Now nobody will want to have a title handed to them, but Swad followed the rules this year and Corduff didn't. Don't say they're sore losers because you're not in their shoes.

Talk of Swad being whingers is also a load of bull. Of course players get worked up on the pitch, and Swad players are no different. They have a will to win as does any decent player, but what they don't have is a "win at all costs" mentality. As far as I'm concerned there is no place for this in the GAA. Win at all costs….'If we have to injure their best player - we'll do it', 'if we have to break a rule set down by the GAA - so be it, as long as we win'.

If you want to judge Swad, go there and meet them….significantly the football pitch is in the heart of the village because the GAA is the heart of the village. You can't judge someone until you've walked in their shoes and as I've already said 99% people in the country will never be in this situation. So by all means express your opinions, but don't start criticising and slating a club and ultimately the people in the club when you know nothing about them.

jaykay26 (UK) - Posts: 1 - 17/12/2010 17:38:06    834676

jaykay26 They lost the match and objected under a rule i feel and others feel is silly , not many clubs in ireland would object over that so they are sore losers no need to meet them to express that view .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/12/2010 17:51:34    834694

dell there is no real victory here for swad


but where do you draw the line regarding which rules you deem to be to silly to enforce

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 17/12/2010 18:20:55    834719

fair play to swad..everyone know's the rules

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1734 - 17/12/2010 18:27:09    834724

wishfulthinkin
County: Cavan
Posts: 342

834724 fair play to swad..everyone know's the rules

Hardly fair play when there objection.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/12/2010 20:08:15    834784

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 14038

834784 wishfulthinkin
County: Cavan
Posts: 342

834724 fair play to swad..everyone know's the rules

Hardly fair play when there objection.



eeeeh wha???

not making sense Buddy!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 17/12/2010 20:45:24    834817

dell if you were managing a underage side and one of your players was 1 DAY OVERAGE , is it illegal to still play that player ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/12/2010 21:16:27    834835

Dell is right.

BallsMcQ (USA) - Posts: 941 - 17/12/2010 21:25:58    834847

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3442

834835 dell if you were managing a underage side and one of your players was 1 DAY OVERAGE , is it illegal to still play that player ?


Ta now you should pratcice what you preach do you remember that overage player you used but got of with and went to win a league hmmmm ?

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/12/2010 21:42:16    834866

DELL.
actually i am taliking about next year , a very good player of mines is one day overage , can you answer . by the way i have never played a overage player ever , thats why i am asking you the question because i am not sure , and i do not want to break any rules .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/12/2010 21:48:31    834873

Corduff are in the wrong here. Rules are rules, there's no argument against it. Debate whether the rule should exist or not, but at the time of the game it was in existence and Corduff broke it.

Corduff are extremely arrogant to suggest that they should get away with it.

NorthMon12 (Monaghan) - Posts: 45 - 18/12/2010 09:59:19    834884

ta32 You know the rule and remember i know you and also knew you broke this underage rule .NorthMon12 look they where beat 15 against 15 so it should be left at that .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/12/2010 14:48:52    834977

You should really read the posts before making comment ok , of course croke park are over insurance but under 16 are not covered in senior for insurance so if a club risks a 16 year old and gets hurts they would pay his bills now read before making comment in future

Ah Dell, I have read all the posts, of course I have. And from your posts, your position can be summarised as such:

"Well, yes, they broke the rule, but that shouldn't matter for some reason. And no, the young lad would not have been covered by any insurance, but sure don't worry about that, I'm sure somebody would sort something out".

My goodness, such a vague, loose attitude you have to rules and procedures. Once again, what sort of ref are you? I suspect you ref games with this same mentality, handing out cards and free kicks based on gut instinct and reputation, rather than black and white infractions.

The club would cover the costs? Dell, what if they don't? What if they can't? What if the lad got an injury that required four or five operations and years of rehab? What do you think happens here? That the club chairman just dips into his pocket and throws a few pound to the Ulster independant clinic? These sorts of things have real life consequences, so no, we dont rely on vague hand-waving about the club covering costs, we establish rules and procedures and expect clubs to follow them.
And if a club intentionally breaks the rules, we don't just shrug our shoulders and say "aw lads, don't be at it". Because that sets a horrible precedent.

This isnt rocket science, I would have hoped a ref would know better.

Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts: 293 - 18/12/2010 15:19:09    834986

Steve The club have a separate insurance as i know off one case that used this last year for a operation because a player got hurt to never give or reported injury to ref or county board and you cant claim after sixty days and he went through the club insurance , as it was used as last ditch so there you go every club has there own insurance in case of anything like this or anyone gets hurt from the public. And not sure what my reffing has to got to do with insurance ? so not sure why your waffling bout that maybe you can explain more or you just another one looking for bit of attention.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/12/2010 15:28:33    834993