no matter what the team a cork man will always say ''ye bet a bad cork team today boy''!!

lily4lyf (Kildare) - Posts: 17 - 02/12/2010 18:06:30    826683

HAG_AND_CHEESE
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826677 potnorwindow:

Protest all they want they have good reason to but my arguement is they way they handled it! Do you not agree it could have been handled better by the protesters rather than turning it into the media circus it was...... seems the first option was to go to the media.



It's OK to make your point and you obviously believe that it was handled badly and that's fair comment, the other yobs were just being hateful

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 03/12/2010 14:42:33    827148

ochonlir:

Yep that's my view on it.... it's good to see I havn't annoyed another cavan man..... I'd say i wouldn't be on slasher christmas card list at the moment.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 03/12/2010 14:53:21    827163

its so true as a wise man one said to me cork should have being part f the north- they are the same people- born with a moan bone and always claim to be a victim

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 04/12/2010 12:29:45    827507

lily4lyf that is some saying you have there!! As a Cork man I always say that to everyone!!
Has Mayo ever produced anybody of real note, they don't seem to contribute much to anything only stir sh*t.

tj09 (Cork) - Posts: 481 - 04/12/2010 17:12:13    827631

It's a disgrace: Cork is by far the most decorated County in Ireland,
and really have very little to complain about when it comes to the GAA.
I will save my sympathy for the dozen aof so Counties who have never
won a Senior Championship in either Hurling or Football!
Maybe this a case for the psychiatrists.

oricelt (USA) - Posts: 207 - 04/12/2010 19:12:30    827655

yes ther real victims in all of this are Monaghan who have won nothing nada zip

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 04/12/2010 21:05:59    827684

Hag, You seem to suggesting that the players should have gone to their clubs before they went to the media. I have already tried to explain why I am about as certain as I can be, that their chances of success would have been zero. So, how do you know that they didn't attempt that route, and met with the difficulties that I've already outlined?

If you are suggesting that they could have resolved this issue by going through the clubs alone, then to be honest, I think you are absolutely, totally, utterly and entirely wrong. Allow me to outline what this expectation would have involved. Then perhaps you will finally understand the insanity of you central assumption:

1. Donal Og Cusack, Diarmuid O'Sullivan, and Paudie O'Sullivan would have had to go back to Cloyne and convice the club to support them, in spite of the fact that a Cloyne man was county chairman. As it happened, the Cloyne club did the sensible thing and adopted the middle ground, suggesting several useful solutions which were howled off the floor.

2. Shane O'Neill and Pa Cronin would have had to get Bishopstown to back them, in spite of the fact that a very senior and well known Bishopstown member was anti-player (and on the exec for decades, and in 08, if memory serves) from the start. I'd say the average Bishopstown member would have been delighted to back O'Neill and immediately start a conflict within their own club.

3. Brian Murphy would have had to get Bride Rovers on side. They're a reasonably new club to Cork senior hurling, and I'm sure falling out with the exec might not have been high on their agenda.

4. O'hAlpin and Gardiner would have had to convince Na Piarsaigh. They may have done so, 'cause, if memory serves, Piarsaighs were somewhat supportive of the players from the off. However, I know that there were conflicting opinions wiothin that club. Consequently, like the rest of us, they had to be pushed to get involved.

5. Ronan Curran would have had to convince the Barrs to support him over Ger Mac. How likely was it that they were goi9ng to jump at the chance of playing one member off against the other?

6. The O'Connors and Naughton would have to persuade Newtown. Again, I think they may have - cause Newtown seemed to be making reconciliatory noises from the off?

7. I've explained Tom Kenny's mission impossible with the Muskerry Board.

8. Niall McCarthy would have gone back to Carrigtowill, as one voice among hundreds in a pretty big club. Were they really going to step up on his behalf?

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 04/12/2010 21:54:19    827709

9. Joe Deane was off to Killeagh, on his owneo.

10. Horgan and Callinan were not going to find it easy to convince one of the city's biggest clubs. Especially when it seems that the Glen were one of the very few clubs who never gave their members a chance to vote.

11. Nash was off to Kanturk on his own.

12. Shane Murphy, Cian O'Coonor and Kieren Murphy would convince Erins Own? If memory serves they also had a member on the exec.

13. Martin Coleman and Brian Corry were off to Ballinhassig. Don't know much about that club, but it is possible that they too may have sought to avoid conflict.

14. Timmy McCarthy, who was rumoured to have been retiring, might have found it difficult to convince his club to stick its neck out for him.

15. Meanwhile the history down in Sars would have made that club very reluctant to take any official position, given that many of its most respected members were lining up against each other. Like the Glen, they never took any vote EVER.

Apologies to any club whose position has been misconstrued. It was two years ago, and I am writing from memory. But, for Hags sake, lets assume that these 15 -17 (maybe there's a few I'm forgetting) were somehow convinced to back their players. What of the other 200 odd clubs? What of the 30-40 of them, who have absolutely no interest in hurling? What of the divisional reps?

Hag, I don't mean to be nasty or disrespectful, buit if you think that the players could possibkly have resolved the dispute by going through their clubs, then I'd have to say that you are either utterly deluded, or a member of an entirely different organisation to the one that I joined. For the sake of your own rationality, and my sanity, you should really accept two central facts here:

1. For all that either of us know the players may well have sounded out their club delegates.
2. Even if they did (or didn't) the world, his wife, and their dumbest dog, knew that this dispute would never be resolved by club delegates, from clubs who were always going to be reluctant to create disharmony among their own membership.

I accept that my comments about Tipp hurling were unjustified and I apologise. However, I was annoyed, and at least when the summer comes, and Tipp beat us out the gate, I can console myself that we talked a good game:)

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 04/12/2010 21:54:41    827710

Culchie:

My point is did they even try firstly all they had to do is pick up a phone, also my point I was also making is that if the clubs were not supporting them why did they continue to play with their clubs and criticsm of the clubs was never brought into the equation.....I admitting cork had plenty of reason to be unhappy and want to fix things but they way they went about it was totally wrong using the media and in particular pofusing on Gerald McCarthy..... in the scheme of this was McCarthy the real problem here..... and the discontent just seems to rumble on again.... media again brought in again in the latest saga how is any of this positive for cork Gaa.

1. For all that either of us know the players may well have sounded out their club delegates.
2. Even if they did (or didn't) the world, his wife, and their dumbest dog, knew that this dispute would never be resolved by club delegates, from clubs who were always going to be reluctant to create disharmony among their own membership.

There was plenty of disharmony caused anyways there was a split between who supported them and who didn't..... also isn't that the way it ended anyways wasn't their a club votes on the matter was there an effort to do this at the start and there was no criticsm of clubs in the process as far as i heard....Can you disagree that the first step was strike and go to the media.....In my opinion that should be the last step.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 05/12/2010 11:40:16    827733

"pofusing on Gerald McCarthy"

pofusing??? that should have been focusing

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 05/12/2010 12:18:41    827749

is moaning something taht comes easily in cork or do they have to work at it- as a well know irish an munster rugby player from cork said about their nonsense over the years- they are an embarassment to all sports people- never truer words said

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/12/2010 12:54:23    827766

ann liathroid you fit that bill for hoganstand posters

well done!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 05/12/2010 14:13:14    827823

Culchie & Hag, will you two just take it outside?

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 06/12/2010 09:52:02    828163

Gigoer - this'll be over in a mo - I promise:)

Hag, I can disgaree that the first step was to strike. Niether you nor I know what the first step was. You are simply assuming that which suits your ever shifting line of reasoning.

If the players did not seek to address the problem through their club delegates from the off (again, niether of us knows), you seem to think they were wrong. In other words, you feel they should have pursued an option that, for all the reasons I have outlined and you have not sought to challenge, had zero chance of success. I cannot agree with that. I do not think that one should ever go about achieving a result by the method which has least (or indeed no) chance of success.

You have lost this arguement. You'll have to think of something else you can accuse the evil 08 panel members of. You can continue to accuse a small number of them of being overly personal in their comments on Ger Mac. I agree (and I suspect that by now, so do they) that they should never have gone down that petulant pathway. However, at least they stood over their comments, and made them like the men that they are. What of the slanderous 'rumours' that were circulated about some of them. Where di they come from? Will anybody admit to starting them? Will you admit, that that too was wrong?

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 06/12/2010 19:14:28    828561

haha its quiet funny to hear all posters saying cork are moaners when it seems to be all the other countys moaning about them haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/12/2010 16:07:03    830290

Culchie:

Just becuase you think I've lost the arguement dosen't make it true.

I put my point across granted you don't like it because it was critical of Cork Gaa...

Answer me this then why was the way the it was partly resoluted in the end not done at the start??? i.e. meetings by the club members..... remember that McCarthy was ratified by 2 separate votes by the club delegates yet the players said nothing about their clubs to this effect not supporting their wishes and also they continued playing with them!!

Gigoer - this'll be over in a mo - I promise:)
It won't be over in a mo it will rumbled on for years to come in gaa circles latest is that senior players have now challenged Walsh on dropping sean og.

So I take you are extremely happy the way everything was handled in cork 2 strikes and people slagging each other off in the media.... I never said that I supported the Frank murphy camp here and i agreed the the players had a reason to feel agreived but they focused on the wrong people and went the wrong way about it.... so spare me the cork against the world mentality the strikes were nothing to be proud of.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 09/12/2010 18:06:04    830426

Hag, Every time I try to put an issue to bed, you take off on yet another tangent.

This is very simple. You said that the players should have gone to their delegates at the beginning. I responded that:

1. For all we know, they may have.
2. Attempting to resolve this via club delegates from a handful of clubs, would have been utterly pointless. I went into some detail to explain why.

You seem unable to address these specific points, and that is why you have lost the argument.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 09/12/2010 18:46:52    830459

Culchie:

What do you mean that's exactly what your doin comming up with excuses!!!

1. For all we know, they may have.
Do you know if they did it seems that's the only thing they choose not to air in the media.... if it was pointless how come them the managed to get the clubs involved so late in the process could they not have got them involved early maybe like in THE FIRST STRIKE!!

My point from day one was I thought they way it was handled was wrong and the way the media was used and the it effected people outside of cork when the decided to all pile back into the league after striking for half of it.... Cork problem sort it out in cork and stop annoying the rest of us....

You try to make hero's of all involved i think that wrong and the whole multiple strike thing is disgusting..... go on strike for as long as ye want if ye sort everything out simple fact is there are still issues and it rumbles on(I'd like to see cork sorted out but there are too many of them living up to their names as rebels).... make as many tangents as you want of that..... simple fact is i outlined and option and was critical of cork players you seem to think the sun moon and stars shine out of them and you don't like it.... be critical of tipp gaa people if you want I'd probably agree with a lot of it.

For the last time do you agree with the way the cork players handled it..... if you don't agree with it why are you still argueing the point with me as it is something we might agree on.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 09/12/2010 20:50:53    830531

Sorry hag but you do seem to have an itch about this Cork team, it seems to take up a lot of your time. You put a twist on every answer we give you and to be honest it would appear you could go around in circles all day long trying to argue with you. Nobody in Cork is proud of the strikes, sur we lost a few of our best years because of them but we hope now that things will be done properly so as to avoid this type of scenario happening again. The football strike one could argue has helped lead to Cork being a dominant force in the championship with the last few years!! Hindsight is a great thing also hag so I'd imagine if the players had know the right (least damaging) way to go about things at the start then I'm sure they would have chosen them unfortunately this case was unprecedented and/or they did not have the supreme levels of wisdom and foresight which you hag obviously posses!! God man mistakes were made it was bound to happen, no need to keep banging on about it.

tj09 (Cork) - Posts: 481 - 09/12/2010 20:59:12    830535