paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3216

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You're as paranoid as some of the Northern posters - Anyone that doesn't luv Inda is FF - You're well off the Mark
As you pointed out before - I don't have a vote in Dublin or Donegal for that matter so its not relevant - Although Joe used to be our Foróige leader back in the day

But how FF can lose 25% of the vote and FG can't even pick up 1% of this is not good.

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 26/11/2010 16:33:50    823412

That's not the way it will play out Pomeroy. Sinn Fein will probably increase their number of TD's quite considerably at the next election, maybe go from 5 to between 10 and 15. But they won't be in government, and having more TD's will just mean that there will be more of them droning on about ridiculous Marxoid policies that they believe will work. I'll go mad listening to them.

There is a number of Sinn Fein TD's that I would like, and the number is a big round zero. Also, obviously I'd much prefer if nationalist voters in the North would vote for the SDLP rather than a lunatic group soaked in the blood of innocent men, women and children.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 26/11/2010 16:34:20    823413

What the hell have they to do with the current crisis? the rainbow coalition helped establish Ireland as an export nation. Sinn Fein sicken with comments like yours.

Paddy it's all a matter of opinion, some might argue that the Rainbow coalition also contributed to the economic crisis given that they held power at some point in the recent past and therefore their policies led, to some extent, to the mess we're in today. It could also be said that as the main opposition they hadnt the guts to stand up to Fianna Fail during the 'good years' and say your economic policies are wrong and are endangering the countries future. They didnt do this as it wasnt a vote winner.

Anyway the original point I was trying to make was that Sinn Fein are the only major party who can definatley say that they didnt contribute to the economic crisis given that they were never in power to the lead up to the recession. Is this not true?

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 26/11/2010 16:39:13    823418

Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 807

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paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3216

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You're as paranoid as some of the Northern posters - Anyone that doesn't luv Inda is FF - You're well off the Mark
As you pointed out before - I don't have a vote in Dublin or Donegal for that matter so its not relevant - Although Joe used to be our Foróige leader back in the day

But how FF can lose 25% of the vote and FG can't even pick up 1% of this is not good.

I have told you why. Even though Donegal is like Mayo one of the more disadvantage and abandoned counties in the country it still plays Civil war politics. The Fianna FAIL diehards wont vote Fine Gael, hence vote for Sinn Fein and Labour etc. Doherty nearly got in last time remember. Also the dynamics of a by election and general election are completly indifferent to each other and cant be compared.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/11/2010 16:41:14    823421

obviously I'd much prefer if nationalist voters in the North would vote for the SDLP rather than a lunatic group soaked in the blood of innocent men, women and children.

But that's democracy for you Seamus, you cant decide whom other voters choose!!

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 26/11/2010 16:42:17    823423

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 452

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That's not the way it will play out Pomeroy. Sinn Fein will probably increase their number of TD's quite considerably at the next election, maybe go from 5 to between 10 and 15. But they won't be in government, and having more TD's will just mean that there will be more of them droning on about ridiculous Marxoid policies that they believe will work. I'll go mad listening to them.

There is a number of Sinn Fein TD's that I would like, and the number is a big round zero. Also, obviously I'd much prefer if nationalist voters in the North would vote for the SDLP rather than a lunatic group soaked in the blood of innocent men, women and children.

First bit of sense I have read on this all day. Here here.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/11/2010 16:43:09    823424

26/11/2010 15:47:56
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3218

823372 Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 6460

Jesus what a stupid comment, no mention of Labour's performance either.
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Well if you are going to go the spin route
Labour tripled their share of the vote - Good result for them today

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 26/11/2010 16:45:04    823427

Paddy the reason Labour and FG did badly was that a lot of people are beginning to see that they are only too willing to do exactly the same as FF. Fair enough they certainly don't share the responsibility for the mess and can argue I suppose that austerity is necesscary or forced on them. However, there is huge constituency out there as proven by today that is totally against the proposed cuts and the IMF being here. Shinners have cornered that market now and will reap big gains. Political situation is so volatile that the next election could be like nothing ever seen here before. FF could well be reduced to a small rump similar to what happened to the Italian Christian Democrats after they were revealed to be a shower of thieves. And they'd been in power for 50 years!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 26/11/2010 16:47:07    823428

Goodfella, Tir
County: All
Posts: 590

Is this not true?

No its not true. The rainbow coalition exited in 1997! nothing to do with the current crisis. They created the export Celtic tiger not the construction celtic tiger that Fianna FAIL created. Where were Sinn Fein when all this was going on? They were involved in "Commodity trading"

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/11/2010 16:54:13    823430

Seamus89 You and ogall should go and learn your history before making comment on the troubles in the north because you have not got a notion what yous are on about , now go and do a bit of reading there please .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 26/11/2010 17:02:25    823439

You can call SinnFein anything you wish but the fact remains that they have changed the face of Irish Politics in the north and are about to do the same in the 26 counties. But what is very very obvious is it is those posters and Scribes who would declare themselves to be the guardians of democracy that are loudest in the dirty politics of name calling and misinformation. The voters of Ireland as in Donegal have a Democratic right to vote for Sinn Fein and that is what happened today.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 26/11/2010 17:35:55    823467

Seamus89 You and ogall should go and learn your history before making comment on the troubles in the north because you have not got a notion what yous are on about , now go and do a bit of reading there please

I have studied history from when I was a small boy, all the way through secondary school, and also during my first year in university. I would guess that Paddyogall also has a good understanding of history, as does Pomeroy, who seems to share our general views regarding Sinn Fein/IRA, although he lives in the North whereas we don't. Explain to me what exactly I said that was incorrect. I said that Sinn Fein were Marxist, which they clearly were and are, and that they and their balaclava clad friends have murdered thousands of innocent people, which they have. These are not opinions, notions, or comments. They are facts.

You can call SinnFein anything you wish but the fact remains that they have changed the face of Irish Politics in the north and are about to do the same in the 26 counties.

The only way Sinn Fein have changed Irish politics is by supporting, and in many cases, participating in, a murderous campaign that has made the possibility of national re-unification more unlikely than ever. In the last 15 years, they have stopped killing people, or gradually reduced the body count, but in my book ceasing killing innocent people doesn't mean you deserve credit or praise. The people who deserve credit and praise are the people who work together peacefully for the betterment of mankind, not those who plant bombs on school buses and in shopping centres, and then renounce violence years later. Once a murderous terrorist, always a murderous terrorist.

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 13724

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Seamus89 You and ogall should go and learn your history before making comment on the troubles in the north because you have not got a notion what yous are on about , now go and do a bit of reading there please .




Oh! The Irony

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 26/11/2010 19:05:47    823527

seamus89.kilkenny.
i am not going to comment on your education you have more than likely earned that yourself and studied books read so on so forth , but you really have put yourself in it with a comment and a post like that , and i will tell you why , over the course of the post you attack republicans for fighting against a imperial force who has occupied six counties of our nation for a long time now you go on to say how they terrified people with death and destruction , yet putting yourself in a position were as you can comment to the degree that you have done without any inclination how nationilists on the six counties have had to put up with in this last 30 odd years very commendable indeed , now you fail to grasp the severity and danger how a nationalist in the six counties lived on a daily basis from threat of loyalist death squads , the s.a.s , r.u.c. b. specials and the british m.15 and the black watch what a lovely bunch , you feel to notice that we as a people on this island had to endure on a daily basis harrasment , internment , torture , imprisonment , the h.-blocks , and after all of that people like yourself stood by and let it happen , now you claim upmanship on how bad the provisional movement were , there is no real credibility there with a post like that only bitterness , put yourself in the shoes of a northern nationalist for one day , and you might rethink your post and to the reasons why people were forced to take up arms .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 26/11/2010 19:51:32    823561

Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 808

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paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3216

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You're as paranoid as some of the Northern posters - Anyone that doesn't luv Inda is FF - You're well off the Mark
As you pointed out before - I don't have a vote in Dublin or Donegal for that matter so its not relevant - Although Joe used to be our Foróige leader back in the day

But how FF can lose 25% of the vote and FG can't even pick up 1% of this is not good.


Omar this was FG's no 2 candidate in the constituency - versus Labour and SF's top man. Can't see how it is a disaster for FG

david09 (Kildare) - Posts: 115 - 26/11/2010 20:09:47    823571

26/11/2010 20:09:47
david09
County: Kildare
Posts: 115

823571 Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 808

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paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3216

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You're as paranoid as some of the Northern posters - Anyone that doesn't luv Inda is FF - You're well off the Mark
As you pointed out before - I don't have a vote in Dublin or Donegal for that matter so its not relevant - Although Joe used to be our Foróige leader back in the day

But how FF can lose 25% of the vote and FG can't even pick up 1% of this is not good.


Omar this was FG's no 2 candidate in the constituency - versus Labour and SF's top man. Can't see how it is a disaster for FG
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O neill got 19% down from 21% FG vote in 2007
FF lost 30% first preference so O Neill didn't make any gains

Who was the First FG candidate and who did he do ?
Strange tactic to run two candidates for one seat - why would they do this - Surely the strategist should be sacked ?

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 26/11/2010 20:33:03    823584

Well done to doherty, he stood up for the people of donegal and he deserves his seat. Unfortunately for him he will have to do it all over again in a few months

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 26/11/2010 20:40:33    823590

26/11/2010 20:40:33
bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 2533

823590 Well done to doherty, he stood up for the people of donegal and he deserves his seat. Unfortunately for him he will have to do it all over again in a few months

First preferences of 40% - Anything over 25% next time should easily get him a seat

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 26/11/2010 20:51:21    823601

A number of things ta:

1. You say I should put myself in the shoes of a northern nationalist, then I would see things differently. But does Pomeroy Plunkett not have the same views on IRA/Sinn Fein as myself? Not all northern nationalists are the same; I for one admire John Hume as much as I admire any man now alive, and I would love that all Irish politicians had the same strength of character as he does. But I abhor the terrorists of IRA/Sinn Fein. Putting bombs in civilian areas is cowardly, and nothing, I repeat, nothing can justify it.

2. I am not ignorant of the disgusting actions of the British forces in the 6 counties, which I regard as being as much a part of my country as Kilkenny or Limerick. I have posted here about various British atrocities in the past, and will continue to do so in future. As for loyalist intimidation, cousins of mine from spent every 12th of July in KK with my Nan for years and years, and a cousin of mine was killed in the Dublin Bus bombing in 1972. The UVF/UDA are the most wretched organisations on this island, and the collusion between them and the British security forces is a black mark on HMG forever. That said, the IRA's sectarianism did contribute a great deal to causing young Protestant men to join such appalling organisations, and therefore IRA/Sinn Fein have to take some responsibility.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 26/11/2010 21:27:31    823632

I for one admire John Hume as much as I admire any man now alive, and I would love that all Irish politicians had the same strength of character as he does.

The greatest strength of character he showed was to bring Sinn Fein into mainstream politics against the wishes of every other party on these Islands including his own. Perhaps some posters could really study the Man John Hume and learn from him that excluding Republicans is the same thing as saying to them you have no right to vote , there is no place for you in politics. I always find it strange that people present Hume as a great man and then undermine the greatest contribution he made to Ireland.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 26/11/2010 21:50:19    823639