Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 6564

828030 liathroidboy,

You claim to be a businessman !! I sincerely hope you do not have to write to any of your customers as they may need the intervention of Pudsy Ryan to help them understand what you are trying to say !!

I have always suspected you to be a transition year student with plenty of time to spend trying to wind up people !! You would be better off studying and trying to catch up as you are well behind judging from your posts


Here here and the worst thing about he thinks his own posts are correct but he would need to go on and learn his history , ..

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/12/2010 21:12:24    828098

Lads a war will start if this North and South try and unite, that is a sad fact. Am i wrong?

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 06/12/2010 09:17:43    828152

Yes. Very wrong

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 11:21:51    828191

thank god it will never happen - the funny thing about a united ireland is that it has nothing got to do with the people of the north- wheter they want it of not it is the people of the republic that will decide in a refferendum- when the sentiment passes and people realise the economice of it- this would be the biggest blow ever to the feiners- it would be beaten hands down- i mean i could not see one single benefit of uniting ireland and could anyone give me one. when that referendum returned the people of the north would truly be shocked as not a single person alone the border would vote for it even hardline republicans as there is too much money to be made/ saved with the border. coupled with that is the fact that the rest of the country en masse have no real affinity to the north and definately would not want to pay for the north. the unions would resiste it as it would bring wages down, the civil servants would resiost it as it would mean that the welfare case that is the north in terms of civil servants would all have to be accomodated. and overall the moaning and sense of entitlement would mean that these new irish people would want preferential cause they believe they have somehow suffered in the past. All in all when you think about it who would vote for a united ireland at all? id love opne logical reason cause i cant think of any justification bar the irelands own version of how ireland should be- If anyone has one i would love to hear it? i mean the no campaign would simply need one poster - 'a united ireland mean no more cheap shopping trips to the north' - i would say that would be enough to get a 90% no vote!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 06/12/2010 14:09:48    828292

So Derryman you think the IRA and UVF and the rest will not start a terror campaign, is that what you are saying?

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 06/12/2010 15:56:35    828389

Some ballbag has no clue as to how the mechanisms to bring about a united Ireland would work.Nobody has the legal right to even attempt to disenfranchise a majority vote from the six county electorate in favour of a united Ireland.Also would love to see any government in the Republic just try to stop such an event from taking place.Imagine the international outrage,the hypocrisy in bestowing citizenship on people but refusing to incorporate the geographic region where they live.It would be political suicide.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/12/2010 16:11:06    828402

I am saying that I believe that the integration of the two Jurisdiction is already happening and has been happening even before the Good Friday/Belfast agreement. The various crossborder committes and liasion of government departments are already treaty the Island as one. There will be no declaration from London or Dublin that the border is no more we will simply grow into it. Eventually other parties than Sinn Fein will Organise in both electoral regions and when that happens Ireland will be united in some form of federation . I believe it is unavoidable and inevitable.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 16:18:12    828411

there can be all the mechanism, comittiees, goodwill, sentiment, a majority in the north favouring a united ireland, the british governments agreeing with the majority, the list is endless but the reality is at the end of the day it is the people of the republic who will decide whether this happens or not- as much as our northern brethern may not like such an idea i dont think even one of them can deny it. the people of the republic of ireland have the final say in any united ireland and as a betting man this would be a no brainer- as i think we can all agree the answer coming out of the republic would be thanks but no thanks. Do people honestly think the people of the republic would vote to allow for a united ireland? The ironic thing about it is that despite the wishes of anyone in the north its untimatley not their decision and they will have no voting rights in the refferendum, and a united ireland cannot legally happen without a refferendum- i think this is only fair and right its decision for the people of the republic of ireland them only.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 06/12/2010 17:16:26    828446

the big problem derryman is that we have people who never want to move on they just want to keep the status quo you see it on here with the likes of dell and ball boy these type of people have no interest politics or a united ireland

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 06/12/2010 17:51:27    828475

Hipster
I know what you mean both ends of the spectrum. Perhaps we should ignore them. But then that would be Exclusion and we know what that brings to the world.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 17:59:31    828481

you are right derryman you cannot exclude and you cannot censor but you would like to think people could actually see the bigger picture , its more important we get things right as if we keep going down the same road this island will be finished

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 06/12/2010 18:15:48    828490

derryman Why should i be ignored with my views ? i want to move out but the sourthern and english media will attack sinn fein everytime they bring a good idea to the table , only poeple you should ignore is yin and yan.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/12/2010 18:43:09    828516

I know that I for one have benefited to some extent from the debate and often farcical comments on this board. I would suggest that my own posts may have matured a little over the last 3 or 4 years. I certainly know that I have been forced to take a very hard look at my suport for Sinn Fein but am pleased that I am (for the forseeable future anyway) happy to continue to give them that support. I can only ask that other posters at least attempt to see the other side of the argument before posting .

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 18:46:23    828522

there you go dell you proved my point thank you

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 06/12/2010 18:57:32    828531

Ok ballbag its clear what your trying to do here,be a tool.You have no idea what you are talking about,there is no provision in the GFA for unification to be rejected if voted for by a majority in the north.Its that simple.As most people in the republic would be for it in principle anyway,apart from anti-Irish people like yourself,it will never be as contentious as you seem to hope for.Outside of the six counties only yourselves in the anti-Irish brigade of Ireland and hard core Scottish loyalists would be objecting vociferously.Peas in a Pod alright.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/12/2010 19:36:16    828574

Dell I have no desire to personally attack anyone especially not some one who has never attacked me. But we must, if we wish to be taken seriously attempt to understand the other side of the argument. Understanding is not agreement and the first step to common ground. We also have an obligation as supporters of Sinn Fein to learn to roll with the punches and swallow some crow pie on occassion, unless you would wish to go back to the policy of abstentionism and refuse to have dialogue with none but ourselves.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 19:59:26    828592

derryman I agree but some of the arguments on here are not that as some posters are not taking it serious or making a mockery out of this thread or anti united ireland and sinn fein . There are others just debating to wum and yin and yan cant even debate the thread .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/12/2010 20:13:37    828611

sorry there dell why dont you actually read the whole thread you might learn something but then again you might find that hard

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 06/12/2010 20:30:30    828628

Dell simply think before you put finger to keypad that will help and dont take offence just because it is contrary to what you believe. We will win them around eventually or they will us.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 06/12/2010 20:30:44    828630

derryman Look i will say what i think is right and what the truth is and i do take offence with you saying think before typing , why should i not say what posters on here are just wumming or debating a poster but not the thread and i get attacked most on here by these , whivh i come to a stage where i do not care.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 06/12/2010 20:40:22    828637