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812030 jimbodub
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812008 hurlinspuds
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811964 I was under the impression the poppy was purely for wwI dead. Am I wrong?? Is it also for WWII??
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The poppy represents every soldier...
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Thats right, including those who fought gallantly in the Boer war, Aden, Cyprus, Malaya, Kenya, Suez, Falklands and other wars in that most noble of causes, namely the preservation of the British empire and its overseas territories.

You wearing yours with pride Jimbo?
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You wearing yours with pride Jimbo?

Ehhhmm I'm wearing a confused look on my face regarding your last post… does that count?

That's got nothing to do with the point I made Brend... Zippo. The poppy represents soldiers who fought against Fascism... that's the simple point I'm making... you know regards the actual topic of this thread.

Jon Snows comments are incredibly exaggerated, a strange choice of word,

Stick to the teleprompter Jon…

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:00:06    812072

The poppy IS a WWI symbol. The British Legion however which gets the money pays it to all former serving members of the Crown forces. So if you buy one you may well be giving a Euro to someone who fought fascism. You might also be giving it to someone who was part of the plot to murder people in this city in 1974. But if you are happy with that buy one by all means!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 08/11/2010 16:08:12    812082

jimbodub
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erm, i do believe I have responded to your previous post, factually, and to the spirit of the thread, but if its all too much for you!!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/11/2010 16:19:04    812091

Anyway, jimbo, what Snow was talking about was the pressure to wear them, not what they symbolise. I don't agree with anyone being forced to wear a political symbol, which is what the poppy is. Would you agree with evryone who appears on RTE having to wear a tricolour badge?

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 08/11/2010 16:21:40    812094

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812082 The poppy IS a WWI symbol

Yes... that very obvious.. but has little to do with the point I'm making.

The poppy has been adopted to symbalise all of the armed forces... including Forces that fought against fascism.

I dont see the confusion here to be honest...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:23:21    812096

Jimbo
The poppy doesnt just represent the soldiers who fought fascism.
In reality it is a declaration of support for the British armed forces, encompasing all that they have done - both good and bad.
Now whether you support them or not is entirely up to you, but its hardly a coincidence that the whole poppy thing has become so massive over the last few years - just when the British govt has been trying to brainwash their taxpayers into coughing up for two wars.

While i dont support the taliban or the saddam hussein regime, you still have to ask the question - whats the normal British taxpayer getting out of these wars. So far as I can see, nothing. Whats the normal British soldier getting out of them? The chance to be killed in combat.

So who is getting the benefit? The arms industry and the politicians in their pocket.

The poppy thing is just a smokescreen to sucker people into blind acceptance of the actions of the British govt in risking the necks of their soldiers in unnescessary combat. Anyone who questions this is told to "stick to the teleprompter" - by these self proclaimed anti fascists.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 08/11/2010 16:28:10    812098

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812091 jimbodub
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erm, i do believe I have responded to your previous post, factually, and to the spirit of the thread, but if its all too much for you!!

What has our history got to do with Jon Snow's comment? I really dont think that was his point... It's not much for me Brend.... I just dont see your point in bringing our history into it?

The poppy represents soldiers who fought against fascism... so to wear a poppy is actually Anti-Fascist... that's the very simple point I'm making...?

I've never worn a poppy in my life... but simply because I've never seen one for sale down here... I'd have no problem to wear one in respect for the many thousands who died in WW1... That's why I'd wear it BUT again...

This has nothing to do with Jon Snows comments does it...?

I know my history lads... but again what has this got to do with Jon Snows comments...

I'll leave it at that... you boys are going down a different road on this one...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:33:02    812103

Just to throw some wood on this fire;

Gregory Campbell condemns Celtic Protest

Bit rich the words coming from this mans mouth?

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 08/11/2010 16:33:34    812104

Horse
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812098 Jimbo
The poppy doesnt just represent the soldiers who fought fascism.

I know... thank you all the same... I mean that

but again I'm referring to Jon Snows comments... he has chosen a phrase that pin points a certain period in the History of the British armed forces.

I dont see the confusion here....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:35:02    812107

hurlingdub
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812094 Anyway, jimbo, what Snow was talking about was the pressure to wear them, not what they symbolise. I don't agree with anyone being forced to wear a political symbol, which is what the poppy is. Would you agree with evryone who appears on RTE having to wear a tricolour badge?

No one is being forced to wear one as if they lived in a fascist state... that's the point I'm making. To wear a poppy is anything but fascist...

No one is forced to wear one, you are slightly exaggerating there man... just like Jon Snow. ;)

Now if Britain was a fascist state... well then you'd see a bit of "forcing" going on...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:39:03    812113

I'd say if Jon Snow was reading this thread...

He'd be the one with a confused look on his face

Amazing stuff

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 16:46:13    812121

derry_ledd.
yeah read about that , thats the type that will use this for their own loyalism agenda , and forgetting the real reason and genuine one at that from some decent people who have lossed loved ones , and just maybe people who felt that the sacrifice in which people died so that they can be remembered for the right reasons .
gregory campbell is always going to be bitter , and jump on anything remotely that will enhance his ancient loyalist ideals , even if it is at of the expense of the war dead he proclaims to remember in such a bitter way . he is fooling nobody only himself derry_ledd.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 08/11/2010 16:46:23    812122

jimbo, i'm confused you say it represents all soldiers...in which case I def won't be wearing one.
Then you say it represents facism. Did all soldiers fight facism?? I don't think so.

When britain was backed into a corner after attempts to placate the facists they declared war. Many very good men died i'm sure but don't try and make it into something it's not. That war like most was about self preservation, greed, revenge and hatred. If you're determined to honour those who truly died directly trying to fight facism then honour bob doyle and his kind who fought in spain. As someone else pointed out above, if the poppy honours all british soldiers then it's alot more serious as we would be honouring soldiers who fought in ireland to try and deny us our freedom. Does the poppy include the black and tans?? Let's honour our own war dead and remember that no one should ever have to die again in the cause of irish freedom because of their sacrifice.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 08/11/2010 16:48:29    812125

i meant to say you then said that it represents the fight against facism. sorry*

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 08/11/2010 16:55:14    812130

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812125 jimbo, i'm confused you say it represents all soldiers...in which case I def won't be wearing one.
Then you say it represents facism. Did all soldiers fight facism?? I don't think so.

It represents all those things... Guy's who fought against the Zulu's to guys that fought against fascism... by the way I'm not asking you to wear one!

It represents the British army, the good, the bad and the ugly...

I mentioned Fascism because Jon Snow pin pointed that certain time in history... that's the only reason why I made a comment on this thread.

You'd swear that Jon Snow lived in a fascist state or something... no one is forced to wear one! The man is talking through his you know what... a complete exaggeration on his part and a very poor choice of words,
seeing that many people in Britain wear them in honour for their family members who fought and died to save the world from fascism

If you don't want to wear one that fairs enough... if you disagree with not wearing one because of our own History...That's fair enough...

But many thousands of Irish men died horrific deaths in WW1... and for that I wouldn't look down on anyone if they chose to wear one in this country.

They deserve to be remembered…

But again... what the hell has this got to do with Jon Snow talking through his bottom? Nothing….

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 17:05:43    812141

hurlinspuds
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812130 i meant to say you then said that it represents the fight against facism. sorry*

That's ok man.. I knew what you meant.. Thanks all the same!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 17:06:24    812143

An idea - what about countries around the world (most of them) commerating their people who were slaughtered by the british army down da centuries.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11689 - 08/11/2010 17:11:55    812154

Anyways...

Here's to Jon Snow and his fascist state... I wouldnt worry though...

He's become a very wealthy man on the back of such a horrific and oppresive state... huh, just like Hermann Goering

Imagine being faced with the unimaginable nightmare of having the simple choice of either wearing or not wearing a plastic poppy!!

The Jews thought they had it bad.... Pfffhhhh! I dont think so...

Poor, poor old Jon Snow...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 17:15:42    812158

yew_tree
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812154 An idea - what about countries around the world (most of them) commerating their people who were slaughtered by the british army down da centuries.

Why not! It's a good idea...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 17:16:48    812161

He's so oppressed that they took the H out of his name...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 08/11/2010 17:29:24    812184