While cannabis might be a relief for people with M.S. it is dangerous for people with depression or other forms of mental illness and has led to many suicides. There are pros and cons for legalising cannabis but it will be medical experts who will make the final decision !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/11/2010 19:52:25    809844

04/11/2010 19:52:25
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
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809844
While cannabis might be a relief for people with M.S. it is dangerous for people with depression or other forms of mental illness and has led to many suicides. There are pros and cons for legalising cannabis but it will be medical experts who will make the final decision !!


The British Medical Association called for it to be legalised years ago. As did the police and the House of Lords. The House of LORDS???????

Most suicides from depression involve legal substances such as valium, prozac and.....alcohol.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/11/2010 21:44:04    809968

04/11/2010 16:45:13
JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 808

809640
Again more argument with lots of attempts to belittle me and but lacking any substantial argument. Studies by people a lot better versed on the subject than you or I have shown that use of Cannabis can have serious adverse effects on users.



Studies by eminent scientists and doctors for years tell you smoking is HARMLESS.

The tobacco companies paid for these studies.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/11/2010 21:46:50    809972

patrique.
correct , mothers little helpers , along with prozac are lethal .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/11/2010 21:49:22    809977

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 808



Legalising Cannabis would solve 95% of inner city crime? No it wouldn't as you still have heroine and cocaine. You could legalise those too but the crimes by drug dealers would be replaced by the crimes of the increased number of addicts to feed their habit.


I have never, ever met a dealer who just sold heroin or cocaine. Those are specialist "drugs" but the money earner is "cannabis".

So you legalise cannabis you are left with heroin dealers, which causes a "habit".

how do they deal with prozac/valium/sleeping tablets habits in our society?

Exactly, become a registered addict and the hospital will provide you with heroin. that is what civilised countries do.

But our society would prefer criminals providing health care.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/11/2010 21:51:07    809978

Patrique,

Cannabis is a major factor too !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/11/2010 21:52:12    809980

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 808


Surely these huge chemical firms would be pushing to have Cannabis legalised for medicinal purposes as they would be the ones producing it and would stand to make a fortune.


Alas no.

Fed up with being subsidised to grow wheat which was then destroyed to maintain the price of a loaf of bread, many, many farmers in the plains of USA are now growing cannabis as a cash plant.

They simply drive to Canada to sell it. Cannabis is legal in Canada.

Wonderful country Canada, brilliant health service, brilliant education service. No need to blame failure on DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!

And as the people are educated, they do not fear drugs.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/11/2010 21:54:41    809985

Thats a stretch Patrique in relation to Canada.I have a friend who lives there and he likes to smoke the stuff on occassion and he doesn't go to the corner shop for it.My understanding from talking to him is that its legal for medicinal use only and if you were caught with it you would be fined depending on how much you had on you.I think he did specify that the police can use their discretion about arrests and prosecutions.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/11/2010 08:10:36    809998

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 10199

809978 JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 808



Legalising Cannabis would solve 95% of inner city crime? No it wouldn't as you still have heroine and cocaine. You could legalise those too but the crimes by drug dealers would be replaced by the crimes of the increased number of addicts to feed their habit.


I have never, ever met a dealer who just sold heroin or cocaine. Those are specialist "drugs" but the money earner is "cannabis".

So you legalise cannabis you are left with heroin dealers, which causes a "habit".

how do they deal with prozac/valium/sleeping tablets habits in our society?

Exactly, become a registered addict and the hospital will provide you with heroin. that is what civilised countries do.

But our society would prefer criminals providing health care.



Excellent stuff. That's the reality of it right there...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/11/2010 10:40:10    810088

close the head shops but keep the pubs open- pathetic to say the least, alcohol has ruined this country and as for cigarettes - well they are so dangerous they can kill you even if you dont smoke - its pathetic a situation all drugs should be legal or all drugs should be banned, and not just the bull we have at present when the drugs of choice of the ruling class are the only ones that are legal.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/11/2010 11:07:15    810105

Ah screw it can we legalise cocaine aswell? Sometimes I get very tired when I'm out drinking and it would be very handy to have it!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 05/11/2010 11:24:17    810120

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 10199

I have never, ever met a dealer who just sold heroin or cocaine. Those are specialist "drugs" but the money earner is "cannabis".

So you legalise cannabis you are left with heroin dealers, which causes a "habit".

how do they deal with prozac/valium/sleeping tablets habits in our society?

Exactly, become a registered addict and the hospital will provide you with heroin. that is what civilised countries do.

But our society would prefer criminals providing health care.


Then why would drug dealers take the risk of selling Class A drugs like Heroine when they could just sell Cannabis, make the profit and still be guaranteed a lesser sentence if caught with intent to supply?
Also Valium Prozac etc are not comparable with Heroine, they are there prescribed for medicinal purposes to treat an illness. Heroin would be supplied by the state simply to feed a heroin habit. Madness. Where do you think Ireland would get the money to fund the habit of potentially hundreds of thousands more addicts? We are now in the EU, so legalise it in Ireland and suddenly you have a mass influx of Eu Citizen drug addicts who must be looked after. It simply would not work.

There must be an element of personal responsibility for one's actions. Why should the taxpayer fund a personal choice of someone to get addicted to a drug for the rest of their lives? Legalising it would remove any disincentive not to start it for the poorer classes. If suddenly their habit is being fed by the state where is the incentive to increase their quality of living? The state should be providing more support for the less well off so that they don't want the release of heroin.

Also, the house of lords did not want to legalise Cannabis. In fact a few years ago they refused to let someone who was growing it for medicinal purposes use necessity as a defence. And it is not legal in Canada either although it is tolerated to a very minor extent.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 05/11/2010 15:13:09    810319

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 2026

810120 Ah screw it can we legalise cocaine aswell? Sometimes I get very tired when I'm out drinking and it would be very handy to have it!
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Yeah I like to mix my drugs...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/11/2010 15:30:38    810329

JonSmith

Then why would drug dealers take the risk of selling Class A drugs like Heroine when they could just sell Cannabis, make the profit and still be guaranteed a lesser sentence if caught with intent to supply?
Also Valium Prozac etc are not comparable with Heroine, they are there prescribed for medicinal purposes to treat an illness. Heroin would be supplied by the state simply to feed a heroin habit. Madness. Where do you think Ireland would get the money to fund the habit of potentially hundreds of thousands more addicts? We are now in the EU, so legalise it in Ireland and suddenly you have a mass influx of Eu Citizen drug addicts who must be looked after. It simply would not work.

There must be an element of personal responsibility for one's actions. Why should the taxpayer fund a personal choice of someone to get addicted to a drug for the rest of their lives? Legalising it would remove any disincentive not to start it for the poorer classes. If suddenly their habit is being fed by the state where is the incentive to increase their quality of living? The state should be providing more support for the less well off so that they don't want the release of heroin.

Also, the house of lords did not want to legalise Cannabis. In fact a few years ago they refused to let someone who was growing it for medicinal purposes use necessity as a defence. And it is not legal in Canada either although it is tolerated to a very minor extent.


And the award for most boring post goes to....(drum roll)..................JonSmith, yes Johnnyboy well done, all your hard work has finally payed off, you must be so proud. Ah no but in fairness you obviously haven't taken my advice yet and yourself that little green bag, you really should though, it'll relax you a little.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 05/11/2010 15:52:32    810348

jimbodub

Yeah I like to mix my drugs...


Hey me to. Admittedly though I only do drugs that grow naturally out of the ground like weed, cocaine, shrooms, heroin you know the organic range.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 05/11/2010 16:07:52    810368

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 2029

810368 jimbodub

Yeah I like to mix my drugs...


Hey me to. Admittedly though I only do drugs that grow naturally out of the ground like weed, cocaine, shrooms, heroin you know the organic range.
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New to Tesco I believe... It's a little more expensive! But it's worth it....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/11/2010 16:39:17    810387

jimbodub

New to Tesco I believe... It's a little more expensive! But it's worth it....


Huh, didn't know Tesco were selling coke and heroin etc etc, I hope I'm not going to make a show of myself asking for these products now.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 05/11/2010 16:50:08    810397

to answer your thread NO.
one shot of heroine causes addition but one shot of an alchoholic drink doesn't.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 05/11/2010 21:30:05    810639

05/11/2010 21:30:05
BettystownRoyal
County: Meath
Posts: 645

810639
to answer your thread NO.
one shot of heroine causes addition but one shot of an alchoholic drink doesn't.


Is that based on personal experience, or maybe an "expert" paid by Guinness wrote it?

What a load of..............

I have a mate who tried everything, LSD, heroin, speed, cocaine, the lot. Hurt his cak and was in hospital where they gave him these tablets. On his release he was going mad, screaming and all sorts as he no longer had these tablets. this had never happened with all the other stuff he had taken.

The tablets? VALIUM.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 06/11/2010 14:04:02    810785

the most biologically active ingredient or at least the one of largest proportion in Cannabis, THC has been synthesised by drug firms and they now sell that as tablets (Marinol and there are generic versions too) to give to anorexics to help improve their appetite and patients on chemotherapy to increase their appetite and reduce nausea. these little pills will cost you a bit more than your average bag of grass, mind you!

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 06/11/2010 14:20:17    810790