PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1654

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'everything is rosy in the garden inside GB and N ireland'

Of course it isn't, no-one is claiming that. But we do look over the border and realise things could be so much worse. I feel for you boys down there, those that haven't had to emigrate that is

Where do you think your going to get a job if the gravy train of the public sector/dole in Northern Ireland is over?. You'll have to immigrate to the main land I suppose. You can go to Australia with scruffy and try to get a job without any experience, make an eejit of yourself if you do get a job and further contribute to the dumb Irish stereotype.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 24/10/2010 16:26:35    802717

Touchy Paddy, if you're that desperate for a job feel free to move North. Personally I wouldn't take the easy option of working in the Public sector but I wouldn't judge someone who has to do that to earn a few pounds

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 16:38:08    802724

Galling could always go back to Cornwall and dig tin out of the mines. I often wonder what keeps the Englishman in Ireland, does he own a vast estate with tenant farmers somewhere way out west? Is he still occupying stolen lands?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 24/10/2010 16:57:07    802744

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3114

I'll think of you, and I'll think of Mayo, when Im sitting amongst a fleet of hot Aussie women on Bondi beach. And if I return in ten years time or so, Ireland may well be re-unified. Chin up though, dont let the arrogance of youth get to you.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 24/10/2010 17:08:12    802750

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1656

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Touchy Paddy, if you're that desperate for a job feel free to move North. Personally I wouldn't take the easy option of working in the Public sector but I wouldn't judge someone who has to do that to earn a few pounds

Unfortunately I have to work in the north on occasion. Mainly due to the incompetence of the limited private sector up there. Also due to pandering on the Irish governments behalf to build infrastructure that wouldn't even get to a business plan in the Republic of Ireland.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 24/10/2010 17:37:30    802768

Must be tough indeed Paddy, what with having to pay five quid a pint as well I'm sure you don't enjoy your jaunts up North. Still consider yourself lucky, one of the few people down South who still have a job

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 17:54:17    802782

How is it the easy way out to work in the public sector pomeroy??
When are you finishing your arts course and leading your beloved n ireland out of recession. No jobs of any description north or south, very few in britain.

Ulsterman, I know he's a wum. It's sad that he can't contribute but spends his weekend trying to antagonise people who are struggling. Not very constructive to rub peoples face in it when they're down but...you know, measure of the man and all that.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 24/10/2010 18:27:55    802808

Funny you should mention about me trying to antagonise people while talking about the 'arts course' I'm doing. Once again resorting to insults when you have nothing constructive to offer, typical Hurlinspuds. As for my experience I have worked in the Public sector and the waste I saw had to be seen to be believed. Honestly they could have had a third of the work force and had the same output. I do see why people choose this, there is zero work and zero accountability but personally I'd prefer a bit of a challenge. Each to their own however

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 18:38:25    802814

ah, touched a nerve. Sorry PP, I'm sure you'll be very well equipped to enter private enterprise and buck the trend in the north when your finished in UUJ or wherever. To answer your question: Why wouldn't people enter the public service? Some people have mortgages to pay and kids to educate and a steady job is not to be scoffed at. I worked for the Irish state for a while and I found that the lower down civil servants were grand and worked hard enough, they're just badly organised by the higher up guys. Also, some depts seem swamped by simply too many people who are unskilled and not suitable to the work at hand. For example, no lawyers work in the dept of justice. The dept of foreign affairs have no expertise available in int'l relations to speak of etc etc. Interns who are graduates in these areas who are on the dole should be taken on in these depts and paid their dole for the work they do. Instead FF raise taxes and hope those on the dole will leave the country. A sad case. The UK is also up s11t creek without a paddle but I'd say for different reasons, reducing the defence budget, 19% on average gone off each govt dept...on average I'd say they're at least as bad off of us. Probably worse, easier to turn around a small economy. What's your idea for private enterprise PP? Will you make n ireland wealthy all by yourself?? I'd shake your hand then!

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 24/10/2010 19:04:52    802831

Good post, honestly people will take you more seriously when you debate properly and not resort to insults. A good start there :). I'm at Queen's mo chara, Jordanstown is not a bad university but personally I think Queen's is better, especially for my course. Like I said there's nothing wrong with people working in the public sector, in these times you're lucky to have any job at all. However I do believe that the private sector in general offers much more challenging work and that appeals to me. I would disagree strongly with you in thinking the UK's economy is in a worse condition than Ireland's. You seem to have the cotton over your eyes with regards the state you really are in, I recall with amusement your assertion that everyone down South would be happy to pay a few thousand Euro's extra every year in order to reunify Ireland. Time to wake up and smell the coffee me thinks

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 19:23:28    802842

I know full well how badly our economy is doing and will do in the next few years but to be honest I really think the basics of the irish economy are there to become successful again. Over the past ten years out of every 10 euros invested by america in europe, 4 were invested in ireland. We will keep our corporate tax rate low, we're still sending people to college in record numbers, our diaspora are keen to invest in ireland and to return home. In fact a huge plus to our economy has been the skills picked up by these people and their subsequent return. New businesses are starting every day. The banking system will slowly but surely be reformed. FG will come to power and for all their faults they are the best equipped to get us out of the immediate mess. NAMA, also for all its faults, is the biggest property portfolio in the world with huge property assets, much of which is outside the state. It has potential, although not the potential that FF lead us to believe.

I'm not so republican as to say this for the sake of it. I work in the UK and all around me I see a state on its knees much like home but without the fundamentals that we have. There is a class divide that can't be crossed. The legacy of thatcher is now being fully exposed. The UK still have incredibly talented people but I worry for it. I can't see them being anything like they were and so I can't see them continuing the gravy train in the north. In fact, I'd say they'll be pushing for reunification when it comes around which won't be for a good while. Certainly not the 10 years that some mentioned on here.

Go on PP, indulge me: what do you study?? Just as a matter of interest. Pound to a penny with politics or law. dreams of being a working for a lobby? Political enough but the private side. Maybe I'm totally off. Queens is a good school alright. Undergraduate??

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 24/10/2010 20:12:58    802879

You can't eat a flag.

caughtredhanded (Tyrone) - Posts: 602 - 24/10/2010 20:21:45    802886

"mo chara"? Thats a peculiarl little Belfast turn of phrase,quite strange coming from a supposed Tyrone man wouldn't you say?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/10/2010 20:36:05    802894

Where in the UK do you work? If Ireland is in a better state than the UK why not return home? It's funny you criticise the UK and yet the UK is the place providing you and your family with money where your home country has failed to do so. No it's nothing to do with law or politics, I'm very interested in politics but know too many people with a politics degree who work in Tesco. It's one thing being interested in a subject but you have to think long-term as well of course. Final year undergraduate yes. Of course Ireland will recover but never to the same heights that it once reached. It was never sustainable and there are few countries that are in as bad a position as Ireland. Hopefully you will learn from your mistakes so it never happens again

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 20:39:11    802900

caughtredhanded
County: Tyrone
Posts: 589

802886 You can't eat a flag

Unless its made of cake

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 24/10/2010 21:40:44    802954

I don't have a family. I'm supporting myself only. I'm lucky in that I have some expertise which is much sought after and got in before things got really bad. I see no skilled jobs in the UK coming up in the UK. There are chances in london alright and probably always will be. I firmly believe that I will return to Ireland. I wish the UK would do better in the future but I can't see it happening. They will improve from where they are but still struggle.
Of course the republic won't ever do as well as it was again. I wouldn't want it anyway as success with a bubble is no success. Our economic story upto 2003 is what I'm really proud of. We dragged ourselves up by the heals and become a modern economy in the black every year but when our growth slowed down we decided we had got too used to the quick buck and had to keep it going even if it meant doing so in such a dangerous fashion. The further we went in the more ALL politicians didn't want to be the captain bringdown who said "there's something wrong here." first sneeze from the american economy and we fell on our behinds.
I worked in Scotland but am on the move to the midlands. My work takes me all over the island.
I also accept that there are few countries in as bad a way. In the EU, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Hungary are all pretty bad. The thing is that few are as well placed to recover as well. Our exports are still performing outstandingly, and the fundamentals of the economy are right. I think the biggest problem we face is not NAMA or the bank bail out but the annual deficit. Successfully bringing that down without destroying the fundamental building blocks of the economy (eg causing more unemployment, taking the stimulus out of the economy) is the real challenge and one FF are not up to but the leadership of FG (basically kenny) is also not up to.

Don't tell me you study business then?? Arts for people with no soul!

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 24/10/2010 21:46:57    802958

24/10/2010 20:36:05
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 826

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"mo chara"? Thats a peculiarl little Belfast turn of phrase,quite strange coming from a supposed Tyrone man wouldn't you say?

A phrase not peculiar to Belfast and what makes you say 'supposed'? Do you intend to denounce everyone who deviates from your viewpoint as an imposter?

caughtredhanded (Tyrone) - Posts: 602 - 25/10/2010 18:34:17    803276

Only people in Belfast know the term mo chara it seems. First I was Paddy, then Patrique, God knows who they think I am next

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 25/10/2010 19:50:51    803313

caughtredhanded
County: Tyrone
Posts: 590

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24/10/2010 20:36:05
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 826

802894
"mo chara"? Thats a peculiarl little Belfast turn of phrase,quite strange coming from a supposed Tyrone man wouldn't you say?

A phrase not peculiar to Belfast and what makes you say 'supposed'? Do you intend to denounce everyone who deviates from your viewpoint as an imposter?

I think if you view his record on here its very hard to believe that Plunkett is from Tyrone,or that he is a member of Pomeroy Plunketts for that matter.He has been denounced by members of that club on the Tyrone forum numerous times.The phrase is very popular in republican areas of Belfast in particular and is not heard very much in other parts of the north.I'm not sure about its usage in the rest of the country,perhaps some others can weigh in and let us know.Its certainly not a turn of phrase used by unionists like the man himself professes to be.I do think he is an imposter by the way.I believe he is part of the "Hoganstand Trinity".

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 25/10/2010 20:08:31    803326

'I believe he is part of the "Hoganstand Trinity".'

Dear God. And I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you have about my quaint village if that will satisfy your curiosity

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 25/10/2010 20:24:51    803338