jackieblue
County: Antrim
Posts: 257

800975 Derryman,it's alright sacrificing the soldiers song,but do you think that the Republic are ready for God save the queen as their anthem?

That may well be possible given some of the posters on this site. But I think the reality is not even the most ardent Unionist is comfortable with Englands anthem at international events especially when playing England Scotland or Wales

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/10/2010 10:38:16    801573

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1544

801573 jackieblue
County: Antrim
Posts: 257

800975 Derryman,it's alright sacrificing the soldiers song,but do you think that the Republic are ready for God save the queen as their anthem?

That may well be possible given some of the posters on this site.

You mean the west brit, free state, pro unionist, rangers loving, SDLP, wests brits? AKA anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/10/2010 11:33:12    801613

I think its an even enough split on this site between those who call themselves republicans and those who apparently believe in a 32 county republic but don't want to do it if it costs them money or if we upset the decreasing majority in the north even when that becomes a minority. To me, the unionist community is already a minority and always has been because I count the whole island of ireland.

I see hardly nothing on here that could be termed anti english. I think most republicans have absolutely no problem with english people, just with those who lead them and have led them. Who uses the term west brit on this site? Not republicans but those out to denounce republicanism who claim that we use that term.
Who shouts about celtic? the same people. Who continuously can't move beyond the troubles and keep bringing up the past? the same people. I'm a republican because I'm proud of being irish and believe in a 32 county republic with the inclusion of all traditions and religions within that republic. I believe in that tradition as handed down by great irish men like Tone, emmet and Bulmer Hobson among many more. End of story.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 22/10/2010 12:02:36    801635

hurlinspuds
County: Cork
Posts: 489

801635 I think its an even enough split on this site between those who call themselves republicans and those who apparently believe in a 32 county republic but don't want to do it if it costs them money or if we upset the decreasing majority in the north even when that becomes a minority. To me, the unionist community is already a minority and always has been because I count the whole island of ireland.

I see hardly nothing on here that could be termed anti english. I think most republicans have absolutely no problem with english people, just with those who lead them and have led them. Who uses the term west brit on this site? Not republicans but those out to denounce republicanism who claim that we use that term.
Who shouts about celtic? the same people. Who continuously can't move beyond the troubles and keep bringing up the past? the same people. I'm a republican because I'm proud of being irish and believe in a 32 county republic with the inclusion of all traditions and religions within that republic. I believe in that tradition as handed down by great irish men like Tone, emmet and Bulmer Hobson among many more.

You undoubtedly are a republican. But quite a lot of nationalists are simply nationalist of whatever hue and use the republican banner as a name but seem to be very far removed from the ideals of the great republicans you mention.

I'm sure you wont have to look far to dig out the namecalling nationalists you haven't noticed so far.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/10/2010 12:23:29    801657

dhorse, you're right to differentiate between republican and nationalist. I would consider myself republican but not overly nationalist. Not that I think nationalism is a bad thing but its dangerous if its allowed to become extreme which it does in every country....even the swedes just elected a bunch of extremists.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 22/10/2010 12:51:16    801695

Who uses the term west brit on this site? Not republicans but those out to denounce republicanism who claim that we use that term.

no its used by 'RA heads as an insult to anyone who disagrees with their opinion

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 22/10/2010 13:43:23    801760

You mean the west brit, free state, pro unionist, rangers loving, SDLP, wests brits? AKA anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest

No Dhorse I do not mean that and you know it. I am not extreme in my views and you will not find a post where i have used any term like that. I do resent that you would portray me as being narrow minded and bigoted. I love My country I resent the history of division that has been visited upon us by outsiders. i look forward to the day we are one unified country. You owe me an apology for tarring me with a brush of bigotry. Perhaps you ignite the flames of division more than you think

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/10/2010 13:56:02    801773

bad monkey, thank you so much for proving my point. I couldn't have written it better.
What is a "RA head"? I'm extremely proud of the IRA's war of independence, am I then a RA head?? What is the difference between a "RA head" and a republican??

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 22/10/2010 15:13:49    801846

I grow more confused. It appears to be less acceptable to declare yourself a republican as opposed to nationalist in the occupied 6. however it appears to be less acceptable to declare yourself nationalist as opposed to republican in the free 26. I have no real idea of what I am in these terms but I will declare myself as being Irish and I wish to see a united free 32 county ireland. Free to make our own choices without let or hindrance from any foreign power. Whatever that makes me then i am pleased to be that.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/10/2010 15:26:50    801858

Until the joke of a country that is the Republic sorts itself out there will be no united Ireland. Get your finances in order and then we may consider gracing you with our presence

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/10/2010 17:10:38    801969

Plunkett, the British economy is taking a nosedive maybe you haven't noticed in your ivory tower. All us mere mortals down here, british and irish are all suffering. How about saying something constructive for a change.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 22/10/2010 17:49:51    802001

Pomeroy,

Does that mean that you have given up on Tyrone's chances of Sam for the next 20 years or are you not just going to attend ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 22/10/2010 17:53:46    802003

derryman,point taken about GSTQ as the anthem,although a lot of people are still in favour of the anthem there are increasing numbers that would like something more representative of todays NI.On the all Ireland question i would imagine that people north and south feel that they have more important things to worry about in the present financial mess that both are in.

jackieblue (Antrim) - Posts: 521 - 22/10/2010 18:20:51    802036

jackieblue
County: Antrim
Posts: 258

802036 derryman,point taken about GSTQ as the anthem,although a lot of people are still in favour of the anthem there are increasing numbers that would like something more representative of todays NI.On the all Ireland question i would imagine that people north and south feel that they have more important things to worry about in the present financial mess that both are in.

Perhaps it should be moved to the top of the agenda. What would stimulate the economy more than reunification. The Usa and Europe would pump money in to support this new young Economy and Britain would make a contribution far outweighing what they now deliver.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/10/2010 13:26:17    802294

'Does that mean that you have given up on Tyrone's chances of Sam for the next 20 years or are you not just going to attend ?'

Of course not, I'll still be coming down to pump a few pounds into your failing economy

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 23/10/2010 14:40:10    802321

After last week and the way things are going in general I suspect very shortly it will be a CITY Ireland.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 23/10/2010 18:05:28    802392

I enjoyed going north this past summer and giving that failing economy a few bob. Also nice to have a closer look at the state we will be incorporating in a few years. Thousands marching through Béal Feirste tonight protesting against all the public jobs to be lost and the private jobs that depend on them which will also be lost....but yeah, everything is rosy in the garden inside GB and N ireland.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 23/10/2010 21:02:45    802495

'everything is rosy in the garden inside GB and N ireland'

Of course it isn't, no-one is claiming that. But we do look over the border and realise things could be so much worse. I feel for you boys down there, those that haven't had to emigrate that is

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2010 14:43:28    802666

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1653

802666
'everything is rosy in the garden inside GB and N ireland'

Of course it isn't, no-one is claiming that. But we do look over the border and realise things could be so much worse. I feel for you boys down there, those that haven't had to emigrate that is


Ah your grand thanks, we dont need your sympathy or pity. You see the mood of the Irish people is such, that we will take the hit, and then we will re-build. Resilience is a key characteristic of the Celtic race, and WE SHALL OVERCOME!

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 24/10/2010 15:23:42    802676

Ignore Pomeroy he is an annoying WUM of the highest order with his lurvve for all things Norn Iron, British, Unionist, Rangers etc. I have 2 sisters married in the South and know at first hand how tough things are for good decent hardworking people there. People are struggling with redundancies, massive negative equity mortgages, wage cuts, tax hikes while the bankers & financiers laugh at them and pay themselves million Euro bonuses. Then people have to look at their so called politicians hauled in front of courts for fraud and bribery allegations and they deserve far batter than this but why oh why did they keep voting for them???

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 24/10/2010 16:06:23    802701