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14/07/2008 20:50:00
Paddy_The_Hills
County: Donegal

I'd also like to say that attacking some ones county is an unfair arguement when discussing a single match involving 2 counties. If some one from kilkenny wants to analyse the match, they should be free to do so without fear of a slagging because of their result against london

Well said Paddy.

Absolutely agree, but as I pointed out in a post last night, there is a difference between "analysing the match" and just making stupid sweeping statements about counties and provinces.

If that is done I will continue to slag the OP's county/province ----> As ballboy has said many a-time, there has been 1 Leinster team in A.I. final since 2000, (Meath v Galway 2001), which Meath were hammered in. Connaught in that time has won one all ireland and had 3 final appearances. Spudenator's agruements (not about the match itself) are as light-weight as the whole Laois team, who consistently look like a team of minors. If there no Weetabix in Laois or wha?

Flanders (Galway) - Posts: 604 - 15/07/2008 10:26:50    48462

Isn't is amazing how we never seem to see people attacking the standard of football matches in their own province ?
If some of the people who are so quick to come on here and have a pop at Connacht football, were also objective enough to criticise some of the poor football seen on their own turf, then I'd have a bit more time for their opinions..
How about looking at a province where the Dubs have been unbeaten for 4 years and have never even managed to reach an all-ireland final ? Where everyone except Meath are terrified of Dublin ? Where the second-best team in the province last year got hammered by a munster county (Cork), who in turn got hammered by another munster county (Kerry) ?
Say what you like about Mayo (and as a Galwayman I would say a lot sometimes), but at least they're able to beat the Dubs

Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 15/07/2008 10:33:57    48471

confirmation that is was a class game- ye cant stop talking about it, to those the ref decisions, cullinane should have walk two persistent fouling on mort and dillon, dillion body slammed to the ground off the ball and gets 4 digs for his trouble on the ground, ticks, warning, yellow, tick, warning and yet not red for morts man same with dillon- bit of a joke,

ball-boy (Mayo) - Posts: 4211 - 15/07/2008 11:26:17    48527

Brilliant!
Great stuff indeed!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 15/07/2008 11:34:51    48546

Connaught football is on a decent state at the moment (compared to Ulster & Leinster anyway)

But in relation to the thread issue itself, Ball-boy you're a lover of statisitcs are you not?! (especially the ones you make up yourself). Why don't you go research Mayo's record in the quaifiers since their inception?! You might d=find history shows that teams facing mayo need not be trembling in their boots like what you suggest...

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 15/07/2008 11:36:23    48550

banner boy- ill say this with the greatest amount of respect deserved- in all fairness i wont be taking tips from clare on anythong football related, we are in division 1 and the second best team in the country- i really dont neeed your advice we are doing just fine- hence the reason noone can stop talking about us

ball-boy (Mayo) - Posts: 4211 - 15/07/2008 11:41:57    48559

ball-boy
County: Mayo
Posts: 2010

48559 banner boy- ill say this with the greatest amount of respect deserved- in all fairness i wont be taking tips from clare on anythong football related, we are in division 1 and the second best team in the country- i really dont neeed your advice we are doing just fine- hence the reason noone can stop talking about us

it is you and w/b who cannot stop talking about mayo, you started the thread, you have over 2000 posts all saying more or less the same thing, mayo are second best team in country bla bla bla. Mayo doing just fine? beat in the final of the weakest province in ireland, and as conor mortimor says mayo are a team unsuited to the qualifiers, the only mayo footballers going to dublin this summer will be heading to the airport going to america to play a bit out there. mayo are doing just fine, sights must not be set too high out west?

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 15/07/2008 11:51:23    48575

Ball-boy with all due respect, I wasn't giving you "tips" or "advice" (I think to pursue such a task with you would take longer than explaining the rules/tactics of 5-day cricket to a 9 year old girl). I was simply attempting to get you to take off your red and green blinkers, and try analyse things objectively & fairly.

And as I've said before, people from the weaker counties are usually just as knowledgable as fans from the stronger counties (in fact they're usually MORE knowledgable as they're not in their county bubble with national GAA affairs..) I've been very impressed with the knowledge of hurling from some lads coming from Donegal, Kildare, Westmeath, Wicklow, Roscommon etc but I don't go try trivialise their views on the basis of where they come from!! Unlike some people.

One can only assume your meaningless throw-away comments are an obvious admission of frustration, contempt & jealousy for (1) counties with better footballers and (2) people who are more knowledgable and have a better understanding of the game.

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 15/07/2008 11:58:23    48585

for a man thats not talking about mayo sam your doing some job of it sam a bit of advice you should stay clear of the mayo threads if you think we are useless as you say they dont talk about us or stay on our county page on mayo topics all day long talk about your own county

ball-boy (Mayo) - Posts: 4211 - 15/07/2008 12:01:24    48587

thats the best bit of advice you have ever given, its what i intend to do because the same thing over and over again is extremely boring. no doubt by the time you hit the 3000 mark you will still be talking the same rubbish. the innocent are easy amused good luck.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 15/07/2008 13:06:50    48664

Thanks Paddy. You took the time to read the analysis in my first post and the Kilkenny example proves my point. The silly and frankly dissapointing jibes from Flanders about Laois looking like a team of minors etc are just more and more evidence that he has no better argument about the Connaught final itself than I put forward so hes trying to hit where he thinks it hurts, criticising Laois. Iv avoided arguing with him because its irrelevant to this thread. Flanders if u are so obsessed with Laois with how poor Laois are...start a thread about that! But before you claim that my comments have no basis or that I have no high ground or status from which to make my argument just read my first comment which was full of NEUTRAL analysis and have a think about Paddys Kilkenny example...then reply to me with something intellegent!!!

spudenator (Laois) - Posts: 1052 - 15/07/2008 13:14:38    48669

At the risk of getting a stupid reply, I have to ask how you can keep calling Mayo the second best county in the country, Ball-boy. It can't be on the basis of the Championship. As for the league, you keep going on about your division 1 status but you barely escaped relegation, lost four games and drew one - out of seven. Now you've been dumped out of Connaught into a qualifying system that historically doesn't suit - and you're still rabbiting on about second best!? No offence to other Mayo supporters or the team, but his ridiculous assertion about where you stand in the grand scheme of things has managed to alienate football fans from all over the country. I'm as loyal a Donegal supporter as the next man but I don't think it's any use making ridiculous claims about your county that fly in the face of common sense

Naomh Ultan Abú (Donegal) - Posts: 298 - 15/07/2008 14:13:21    48744

The common concensus is that Mayo are all right and ticking all nicely...for of course next year which was the aim overall. The team and management had set there sights on getting to the connaught final. I really cant see us getting very far in the qualifiers...O'mahony knows what he is doing - despite some of the rubbish that has been stated by some form my county and elsewhere we still were only a point within a decent Galway team, that said they were missing Joe Bergin and Decy Meehan! It wasnt a great game but it was good entertainment. I have to say cracking attmosphere in Mchale.

Mayo89 (None) - Posts: 159 - 15/07/2008 14:15:40    48746

Yeah Spudenator, you asked for analysis, and you got it from me, no answer there, I see.
Now, if you want to be NEUTRAL, as you claim you are, how about some honest analysis of the state of your own province, too close to home for you ?

Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 15/07/2008 14:21:43    48755

Bosco. Set up a thread on the state of Leinster football and ill discuss it with ya til the cows come home.. This thread is about the Connaught final and most people have given good analysis, whether i agree with it or not. Like I said though, the state of football in my county is not relevant when its only being used as a way of trying get at or rile up the analyst ie. ME. For the last time, Connaught football is not a disgrace or anything like it. What I was stating was that Sundays game was a contest of two poor enough teams who had excellence in there somewhere (Dillon, Joyce, Bradshaw-all good) and that based on their performances Sunday, which of course they will probably improve upon, there is not much to fear from West of the Shannon.

PS. The poster who said that Joyce didnt criticise Galways performance should refer to the GAA website archive and that comment about ''Let He who is without sin cast...blah blah blah'' gave me a rigtht laugh..Lets keep it relevant guys.

spudenator (Laois) - Posts: 1052 - 15/07/2008 14:43:01    48791

RE: Spudenator
Flanders if u are so obsessed with Laois with how poor Laois are...start a thread about that! But before you claim that my comments have no basis or that I have no high ground or status from which to make my argument just read my first comment which was full of NEUTRAL analysis and have a think about Paddys Kilkenny example...then reply to me with something intellegent!!!

If you bothered to read my reply you will see I agreed with Paddy's comment about a person from a "lesser" county analysing a match. I then stated that yours was half reasonable analysis, half generic swiping at an entire province which I take exception to. I have no problem with you match analysis, Galway were poor at times, standard was poor at times and visa versa. But its all relative, what are you considering to be a good game? I would consider that just as good as any game i've seen in the other 3 provinces so far this year.

To your non-analysis:
To qoute you: "The input into this years championship from west of the Shannon is laughable!!!"

How is that analysis exactly? I simply then chose to remind you that if Connaught's input is so laughable, you lads must be dying laughing (or crying) at the fact that no Leinster team has been in the final since Meath got hammered by Galway in 2001, while Connaught has had 3 final appearances. That is not analysis or opinion, it is a fact.

Flanders (Galway) - Posts: 604 - 15/07/2008 14:59:02    48805

Thank you, thank you, thank you. We have a breakthrough! Flanders Im glad you can now see what I was saying. And if you had said originally that compared to what youve seen in the other provinces, especially Leinster, that the Connaught final was up to standard we could have had a good discussion on that issue. But what I received was a scathing attack on my county based on the boooorrrring same-ole same-ole arguments about Laois being too small and silly jibes about not havin Weetabix, which as the two Donegal fellas said had nothing to do with this thread.

As for my statement that the input from across the Shannon was laughable. That was misunderstood a bit I think. I meant that no team with title asperations this year would tremble in their boots at the prospect of either of the teams based purely on Sundays performance. I did concede that both teams would probably improve but based on Sunday, I would prefer Mayo in the next round to alot of other counties and if we won that, got through to the Quarters etc, I wouldnt be too peeved about getting Galway!

spudenator (Laois) - Posts: 1052 - 15/07/2008 15:12:12    48815

Very hard to say how either team would/will fare in the 1/4s. I assume you heard Joyce mention the pitch size (you seem to have memorized his speech!), which is a fair point in that the Galway attack hinges on him and if he's knackered we are in trouble. Heart in mouth when saw him down once or twice with apparent ankle problem on Sunday.....

Back line improved from Ros/Leitrim games, although 1-14 is a large score to concede. That is traditionally the Galway style though, its not defense first, usually try to outscore the other team and worry about defence later. Whether that mantra will work with the rest of the forwards we have im not sure.

Midfield will also need to improve to keep the supply going in, 15minutes without a score very poor and at times there was only one man inside the Mayo 45. Cullinane is the best fielder we have at the moment and we need someone of his size to compete with D OSe, P McGrane etc etc. I wouldnt say Joe Bergin is the messiah waiting to come back to solve all midfield issues but at least he is a good option going forward, and he can kick a score, something I rarely see a Galway midfielder do these days.

All in all, happy enough with what direction Liam Sammon has taken the team, he seems to have put the foot back in football and also a little more enjoyment/heart. If this was 12 months ago I couldnt see Galway pulling themselves out of that hole of having gone a point down with 4 minutes to go, having been 7 up. We are there at least, good to be back in Croke Park as Galway appear to be the opposite of some teams in that they lift it for Croker, we'll just have to wait and see....

Honest enough?

Flanders (Galway) - Posts: 604 - 15/07/2008 15:27:50    48834

Excellent Flanders. Concise, fair, honest and above all correct in my view. Ah concensus is like a breath of fresh air.

spudenator (Laois) - Posts: 1052 - 15/07/2008 15:34:22    48845

You can sing that!

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 15/07/2008 15:50:29    48863