Graham Canty is to have a fitness test tonight to see if he is fit to play in the All Ireland Final on Sunday . How can he be match fit when he has played very little football since early August . Eoin Cadogan is the player who should start the game intead of Canty and if Canty is fit have him on the bench and if Cadogan is not up to the job on the field replace him with Canty sometime during the game

Redhot (Cork) - Posts: 739 - 14/09/2010 12:20:23    773953

Start him surely!

beer baron (Cavan) - Posts: 3916 - 14/09/2010 12:31:56    773966

Well after seeing the disruption sheflin caused by coming off so early in the hurling I would have to say leave Canty on the bench! We have cover and in fairness Cadogan is a fair warrior also so I would not fear if he is in the starting team. Canty would be an ideal man to bring in the closing stages to settle or even boost the team if required.

tj09 (Cork) - Posts: 481 - 14/09/2010 12:49:20    773994

A very good point there about Sheflin a fully fit player can be a liabilty for the whole team

Redhot (Cork) - Posts: 739 - 14/09/2010 12:54:19    774003

I should have said a player that is not fully fit can be a liability for the whole team

Redhot (Cork) - Posts: 739 - 14/09/2010 12:59:05    774009

Cork made a huge error by starting him against Dublin.. He was clearly unfit, getting roasted and then tweeks the problem again

He'd be fully fit for Sunday if he was rested against Dublin, and given the full period to get over his injury... a Huge gaff by the Cork management.

And it might yet prove to be a major mistake.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/09/2010 13:08:55    774018

Cork have a lot of very good players but Canty is a top-class player and a real leader. I see him as a real Glen Ryan like character for Cork with a lot of the other players following his lead and I don't make that comparison lightly. If Canty is fit you would have to start him.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 14/09/2010 13:10:55    774021

The psychological boost of bringing him on as a sub when the going gets tough would surely outweigh the risk/reward of starting him with the potential psychological damage of having to replace him after 20mins.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 14/09/2010 13:13:58    774025

By all means start him, and Anthony Lynch as well !!

Burnsey (Down) - Posts: 561 - 14/09/2010 13:33:14    774050

In answer to the question. Yes.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 14/09/2010 14:43:32    774144

Doesn't matter. We'll still win by 10 points with him on or off the field.

PROC_Hurler (Cork) - Posts: 203 - 14/09/2010 15:01:32    774160

Most overrated player in county football in my opinion. Not good enough to make the cork team.

denzel (None) - Posts: 452 - 14/09/2010 15:08:44    774170

Canty's a great player. I hope he wins an All Ireland, just not this year!

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 14/09/2010 15:23:29    774185

denzel
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774170 Most overrated player in county football in my opinion. Not good enough to make the cork team.

I tend to agree, he was very good 3-4 years ago. He gets away with a lot too. He'd be despised if he played for Tyrone/Armagh.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12451 - 14/09/2010 15:30:53    774199

denzel
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774170 Most overrated player in county football in my opinion. Not good enough to make the cork team.

I tend to agree, he was very good 3-4 years ago. He gets away with a lot too. He'd be despised if he played for Tyrone/Armagh.
Breffni39 , 14/09/2010 at 15:30

Who exactly is despised from Tyrone/Armagh?

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 14/09/2010 16:07:06    774250

I would urge cork to not make the same STUPID mistake Kilkenny made and just quit all this "will he? wont he?" nonsense STRAIGHT AWAY. The real killer about this is that it distracts the rest of the team and puts uncertainty in their minds. Just nip it in the bud now. Publicly announce he's not gonna play (or at least he's not gonna start) and that will be of far better benefit to the rest of the team as they can plan accordingly and be mentally right for it.

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 14/09/2010 16:25:55    774266

Corrxxx
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774250 denzel
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774170 Most overrated player in county football in my opinion. Not good enough to make the cork team.

I tend to agree, he was very good 3-4 years ago. He gets away with a lot too. He'd be despised if he played for Tyrone/Armagh.
Breffni39 , 14/09/2010 at 15:30

Who exactly is despised from Tyrone/Armagh?

Now, now Corrxxx, you know yourself. No need to play the fool with me. He seems to have a reputation as an honest player, which was never afforded to a number of Tyrone and Armagh players despite probably being involved in less "incidents" of "accidental" collisions. You know only too well as Gooch has suffered more than most.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12451 - 14/09/2010 16:26:19    774268

It is a commonplace for the GAA journalists to refer to Graham Canty as the soul of the Cork Team, as the leader of the team, as the "spiritual" leader!!!!!!!!, as the man who is the most important component on the Cork Team.

I often wonder if the team subscribes to this fiction and if this is not part of their problem.

I was in Melbourne on that cold evening in 2003 when Canty was heroic against the Australians and where he was conceding inches and pounds to his much vaunted immediate opponent. But he was heroic in terms of his commitment to the cause. I would never question his commitment.

But back in our game, how many times has he been truly the cause of that Cork win, truly that difference between two teams, truly the man who mastered one of the greats and as consequence led Cork to victory.

How many games did he control like a Geezer, like a Moynihan, like a Glenn Ryan. That is compare him to some halfbacks. As a fullback, how many times did he control his area like a Paddy Christie, like a Francie Bellew, like a Darren Fay - and, I mean against top opposition and on big days.

There is more to "leadership" than gritting your teeth and coming over all Cuchullain.

But when you get a name in the sporting media for being a "leader", you can depend on that reputation continuing to be burnished as you get into your sporting autumn - regardless of what is actually happening on the pitch.

I remember being down in Cork a few years back and going to a replay of a Cork/Kerry MF which Cork won. Canty was marking the Gooch. At the time the great journalists were wasting ink writing about Gooch not being the player he was. As it happened, he did not score from play, skimming the posts on a number of occasions - but, overall, he scorched Canty and beat him to every ball. I could not credit the manner in which every journalist (that I read) reported that Canty had held Gooch scoreless. This was technically true - but the reality was that Gooch was off radar. I think it was the same year that Gooch turned Canty inside out in Croke Park - not that there is any shame in that.

Nobody can take away from Canty his commitment to make the difference.
But when was the telling pass, when was the crucial intervention, when was that spark of genius that bespoke of that quality that truly takes his team to the Promised Land, eg Geezer or any number of Tyrone backs on any given day.

How many times has Canty come thundering up the field, looking fierce, with the commentators going up the decibels and end result being - zero.

The reality is that every player that puts on the jersey gives that commitment, that Canty gives.

It is given only to a few to reach that level of delivery where it can truly be said "He is a leader".

Cork are wasting so much energy on the Canty issue.
They are elevating a player to a level at which he just cannot deliver. It is not fair on him either.

I just think that they will play a huge price for all this.

tifram (Dublin) - Posts: 36 - 14/09/2010 20:20:41    774530

tifram, that was one interesting post and I am stumpped..........Cork lads help out...answer tifram!

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 14/09/2010 20:38:25    774556

yes of course play him!

kildare4sam2010 (Kildare) - Posts: 506 - 14/09/2010 20:47:14    774564