hipster
County: Dublin
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779781
i hope you went to mass yesterday dell

I went sat evening ...

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 20/09/2010 21:55:46    779814

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2601

779248 corxxx.
do not even attempt to mention the troubles mate , u have not the slightest clue what went on there , only informed by the r.t.e and irish indo , thats how close you ever got , but feel you are a expert on the matter , do not even go there .

now getting back to the discussion , do you believe that it is right to blow yourself up in the name of god , and attempt to take as many as possible with you , our do you care to miss the boat the whole time .

So I cant comment on the troubles. Well then

Do not attempt to mention suicide bombers, u have not the slightest clue what went on there , only informed by the r.t.e and irish indo , thats how close you ever got , but feel you are a expert on the matter , do not even go there .

now getting back to the discussion, I will do something you never have, I'll answer your question for the 10th time. I dont believe it is right to blow yourslef up in the name of god.
Answer these questions:
Why have the US not entered Sudan or Saudi where terrorists are known to originate from and hide out?
Did the US enter Iraq because of OIL (they have admitted it, you havent)?
Is it right to use daisy cutters and cruise missilies in areas where it is known that there are numerous women and children?

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 21/09/2010 09:07:53    779845

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2601

779252 corxxx.
just a wee reminder i was never in the british government [ i think you are referring to the support the irish government , YOURS BY THE WAY , supported partition and the uphold of a illegal occupation of the six counties in ireland .

I never suggested you were.
Dont over half the people in the north believe that it wasnt illegal?

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 21/09/2010 09:10:03    779847

corxxx.
i have always said that iraq was dubiouse , but i agreed that the invasion of afganistan was a must to eliminate terrorist planning future mass murder attacks .
as for the daisy cutters [ no of course i do not want them used in places of high density of women and children ] now corrxxx. i agree you are right about iraq , but such force should be used against bi laden and his mob .
another thing and i mean this sincerely , i have see the damage sucicide bombers have done to innocent civilians at first hand , watching people cut to pieces , i was lucky myself another twenty minutes it could have been me , and makeshift morgues , i believe i am in a position to comment on these matters , it was not pretty corxxx. no irish indo or government , thats why i have such a hard stance on these matters , these people do not care who they take out , and thats the frightening thing about it , more unbelieveble is one of them was a school teacher in a primary school . think about it, for the record iraq was about oil . and i do not know why they did not invade sudan , sometimes i wish they had though .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 21/09/2010 11:07:26    779942

I am shocked to hear you say that stem cell research and particularly in vetro fertilisation are above your understanding derryman. You should really research them, I find it incredible that you equated IVF to the selective breeding of humans. (As an aside, anyone know if the catholic church are against IVF in animals such as cows, horses, etc.?).

IVF is simply a method of allowing couples who are not able to conceive naturally to have children. The catholic church wants to deny this to so many people. I have close relatives who went through the tortuous process of IVF - it really takes a terrible toll on the prospective parents, physically and mentally, often to no avail - but thankfully it was worth it in the end for my relatives and I now have a beautiful niece. My aunt and uncle are the best parents I know, they went through years of hell but now are so happy. You should go to them and tell them what they did was a sin, look my niece in the eye and say "you shouldn't have been born."

IVF can also be used to allow people who carry the genes of certain debilitating hereditary diseases to eliminate the possibility of passing them on. That is where I would draw the line with IVF, the ethics of selective breeding (in humans) and choosing embryos for their physical characteristics are another issue entirely. Of course there are excess embryos left over from the IVF process, but were it not for the couple deciding to undertake IVF in the first place they wouldn't even exist so I don't see the problem in disposing of them.

Stem cell research has nothing to do with selective breeding, it is merely an extremely promising method of medical research which offers great hope of curing many currently incurable diseases and even paralysis. You should take a trip to the national rehabilitation center in Dun Laoighre and tell it's residents there you don't think they shouldn't have any hope of ever walking again. Take your pope with you.

morris (USA) - Posts: 302 - 21/09/2010 19:51:19    780677

I actually found your attempt to explain transubstantiation quite funny, sounds like you are trying to backtrack away from the church's official teaching on the matter.

I wasn't even talking about confessional secrecy when I slated the church for their protection of known criminals, I was more talking about the practice (Cardinal Ratzinger's directive) of swearing innocent children who were the victims of horrific abuse to secrecy under threat of excommunication, and the refusal to hand over known child molesters to the authorities, instead moving them around where they abused again and again. The current pope was highly involved in that disgusting practice,as bishop and especially the head of the Congress of the Doctrine of the Faith, something many catholics are in denial over.

I notice you didn't mention divorce - so I take it you feel a woman who marries a man in good faith, only for him to turn into an abusive drunk should be forced to stay with him "until death do us part", with no possibly of leaving him and remarrying.

The catholic church is absolutely OBSESSED with the sex lives of it's members, which is strange for a group of celibate virgins, who anyone else would consider the least qualified people to preach on the subject.

Your stance, the stance of the catholic church, (no sex before marriage) is followed by only a tiny fraction of the world's population - this is what I meant when I said the church is living in fantasy land on the subject. It is a fact of life that people are wired to want to have sex, it is the most basic of urges. Denying this urge, and the urge to masturbate, is not healthy.

Since 99% of people don't obey this "first rule" of sex, wouldn't it be a good idea for the church to say "okay, if your going to have premarital sex, which we don't think you should, then you should at least use a condom, as it will help protect you from STDs including AIDS." The church's position is absolutely morally indefensible in my opinion, the pope coming out with disgraceful statements suggesting that condom use INCREASES the problem of AIDS, when every single reputable organisation and study (UNAIDS, for example), have proven the opposite.

The catholic church is the most morally corrupt institution in the world, I had to laugh today when I heard of the arrest of the head Vatican banker on fraud charges (not the first time they have been in trouble for this).

morris (USA) - Posts: 302 - 21/09/2010 19:53:07    780678

Morris
What can i say I have my beliefs you have yours. What i do resent is that you would put words into my mouth. I have not said anyone should not have been born or that anyone should not be cured. I have stated my beliefs and for me they are personal. Your obvious loathing of the Church and all things catholic does not allow you look at any thing with an open mind.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 21/09/2010 21:00:19    780780

It is important to differentiate between the Catholic faith and the Catholic Churh. The Catholic faith never harmed anyone, likewise the Islamic faith never harmed anyone. Men harm men, religion does not.

One poster was asking why Martin McGuinness did not travel over to welcome the Holy Father, the answer in quite simple I would suspect. Take a look at the Dioceses of Ireland and you will see the Vatican does not recognise partition! According to Rome, Ireland is one which is why the Dioceses of Armagh and Clogher pay no heed to the border. The Popes visit to the UK was a Pastoral visit to the British faithful, Martin McGuinness's presence would have made as much sense as Angela Merkel going over to the UK to welcome Him.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 23/09/2010 12:25:29    781997

artisan
County: Down
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One poster was asking why Martin McGuinness did not travel over to welcome the Holy Father, the answer in quite simple I would suspect. Take a look at the Dioceses of Ireland and you will see the Vatican does not recognise partition! According to Rome, Ireland is one which is why the Dioceses of Armagh and Clogher pay no heed to the border

Its hazy where they stand on it, they do a have an UK embassy, which includes N.I. as well as one in Dublin.

The first Roman Catholic appointed UK ambassador to the Vatican since the Reformation has presented his credentials to Pope Benedict XVI.
Francis Campbell, 35, stressed the UK's commitment to dialogue within the Christian family and with other religions at the ceremony.

He is the first Northern Irish Catholic to hold a UK ambassadorial post since the Republic of Ireland gained independence in 1921.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 23/09/2010 21:32:17    782729

My aunt and uncle are the best parents I know, they went through years of hell but now are so happy. You should go to them and tell them what they did was a sin, look my niece in the eye and say "you shouldn't have been born."

Surely your aunt and uncle's daughter is your cousin???

Unless you're from Alabama or somewhere like that, then these family relationships can get a bit muddled.............

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 24/09/2010 08:59:40    782812

There's talk of his holyness coming over in 2012 to Ireland...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 24/09/2010 09:54:59    782844

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6592

782844 There's talk of his holyness coming over in 2012 to Ireland...

Where will the MASS protesting protesting be?

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 24/09/2010 10:20:34    782866

ta the six algerians were released with out charge last monday no surprise there

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 26/09/2010 21:13:09    784447

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
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779847 ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2601

779252 corxxx.
just a wee reminder i was never in the british government [ i think you are referring to the support the irish government , YOURS BY THE WAY , supported partition and the uphold of a illegal occupation of the six counties in ireland .

I never suggested you were.
Dont over half the people in the north believe that it wasnt illegal?


The way the security forces went in to the north was illegal bloody sunday proved it .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 26/09/2010 21:37:56    784482

hipster.
and ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 26/09/2010 21:59:18    784511

well your the one who brought it to our attention and made a big big point out of it they are just lucky you were not the arresting officer or the judge

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 27/09/2010 13:36:32    784830

27/09/2010 13:36:32
hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1855

784830 well your the one who brought it to our attention and made a big big point out of it they are just lucky you were not the arresting officer or the judge
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They were also fortunate that there was no death penalty

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 27/09/2010 14:13:44    784888

hipster/omar.
the arresting officer and judge would have mercy . i would not ;]

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/09/2010 19:02:49    785279