Dhorse.
I accept your position and do hope that some day your desire for justice will be satisfied. I only ask that you accept mine. We can argue this to kingdom come but it will not change my faith or yours probably Good Luck.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 19/09/2010 10:05:53    778023

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
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778015 ta32
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Thou shalt not kill. I wonder what part of this the extremists have difficulty understanding?


Very Very true.
But then I wonder what part of it the enlightened Christian Democratic governments dont understand either. Perhaps there is a sub clause in there that says
" Unless you desire to control the oil"

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 19/09/2010 10:20:18    778028

Massive success and two fingers to the nay sayers who say religion is dead. Of course our church has it's faults but the old saying is true your NEVER really lose the faith. The rabid secularists and intolerant gay mafia in Britain and Ireland who are trying to tell us religion is dead are fools.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 19/09/2010 21:50:20    778480

ulsterman.
here here

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 19/09/2010 21:59:28    778500

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2592

Well said Ulsterman. Its time that some people accepted that religion and politics should mix. The myth that they shouldnt is just that, a myth. The challenge for us now, is to make our conflict ridden, immoral society return to its senses through the ancient wisdom of Christianity.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 20/09/2010 10:10:32    778581

Ulsterman I would agree that Religion is not dead but is poorly in Western Europe particularly in Britain and Ireland is in decline. However I did pick up the Alive magazine at Mass two Sundays ago and they had an article about a speech by a spanish Proffessor whose research shows that Religion is stronger now than at any time in the last 30 years. According to him the March of secularism has been confined to the western Europe region but even now it has slowed down and appears to be levelling out with more young people actually participitating in formal traditional religions. His Research was about all religions not specifically christianity. However the 3 main monotheistic religions were very strong and continuing to grow worldwide. I do think the Pope in his recent visit had this theme very much in mind and I for one was very heartened by the great turn out of young people to see and meet the Pontiff.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 20/09/2010 10:26:07    778593

ta32
County: Tyrone
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777765 patrique.
i do not beleive everthing the british intelligents says , and why are you trying to twist everthing back to the northern troubles .
they were six arrest , thats all i said , they were of algerian origin i think , the last nutter was from turkey , but anyway its ok to fire abuse at the catholic church because of all the scandal , people just jumping on the band wagon , AND FOR THE RECORD I CANNOT STAND ISLAM OR THEIR WAYS , at least i can truthfully speak my mind unlike some .

Thats funny, because theres a few of them who cant stand your religion or your western ways. You both have something in common, you're both EXTREMISTS. Its a good thing that the majority of us peace minded westerners and the majority of muslims dont think like you or there would really be no hope.

The reason Pat and others keep bringing these issues back to the troubles, is because that was a time of religious intolerance, and a constant fear that terrorists across the water were out to get ya. With more people like you in the British government Ta, it would have been snowing daisy-cutters in Ireland.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 10:31:05    778604

ta32
County: Tyrone
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777977 patrique .
yes pat , they are ten commandants , the point i am making was , i cannot believe how people under the name of islam can walk into the platform of a tube , and look at people knowing he is strapped with explosives , especially chidren [ and one these bombers was a creche teacher ] and praying while at any second a large explosion is going to murder innocent people , i do not really hate anyone pat , but this extreme of getting a point across really sickens me how they feel they will get into paradise by murdering thousands of innocent bystanders , please pat can yyou not see what i am saying here , but you are always trying to put people down , and not listen to genuine fears and acts of aggression that are been commited in the NAME OF GOD .

you are right love thy neighbour , but not mass murder . in thy name.

I cannot understand it either. A heinous act under any circumstances.
I bet there are plenty of muslims who cannot believe how people under the name of islam perform these acts.
You see them as all the same, because you are ill-informed about the religion or its followers!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 10:37:53    778622

778015 ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2551


Thou shalt not kill. I wonder what part of this the extremists have difficulty understanding?

The bit where a cruise missile fired from a warship 300 miles away misses their camp and lands on a packed hospitalfilled with women and children.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 10:40:27    778626

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
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778581 Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2592

Well said Ulsterman. Its time that some people accepted that religion and politics should mix.

Yes, we should look to our brethern in Iran who have successfull combined religion and politics into a revered system of government.
The islamic republic should be our blueprint!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 10:43:30    778629

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
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Yes, we should look to our brethern in Iran who have successfull combined religion and politics into a revered system of government.
The islamic republic should be our blueprint!

No it shouldnt. Christian democracy should be our blueprint. Christian democracy for a Christian nation.....duh????

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 20/09/2010 14:05:55    778985

Clearly you dont do sarcasm.

And which successful christian democracy should we look to as a blueprint for its success??

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 14:11:03    778994

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778985 Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 434



No it shouldnt. Christian democracy should be our blueprint. Christian democracy for a Christian nation.....duh????

Christianity is an imported religion to this part of the world, was christ not a palestinian jew?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/09/2010 14:34:11    779048

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2592

778480 Massive success and two fingers to the nay sayers who say religion is dead. Of course our church has it's faults but the old saying is true your NEVER really lose the faith. The rabid secularists and intolerant gay mafia in Britain and Ireland who are trying to tell us religion is dead are fools.

Who are the intolerant gay mafia? Intolerance is terrible, isn't Ulsterman?

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/09/2010 15:03:52    779112

The Church is far from perfect and no member would claim it to be not even the Pope and his cardinals. Indeed it has never been perfect it is still on a journey of santification. This Pope and every Pope before him has suffered the human Frailities that plague Most of us. (i note that some posters on this forum do not appear to have this problem). Ever since the Task of guiding the Church was conferred upon St. Peter it has been under attack and persecution from one quarter or another. Indeed very often the attacks upon the Church were justified and the Reformation of the 16th century is probably the most obvious example. However the Catholic Church continues it will survive the Unjust attacks and it will respond to the just attacks. However what we should alway keep in mind is that the faith of the universal church is a work in progress God is still revealing himself to Humanity.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 20/09/2010 15:46:14    779153

derryman
County: Derry
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779153 The Church.....


It's just one of many

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/09/2010 16:18:09    779203

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1432

778023 Dhorse.
I accept your position and do hope that some day your desire for justice will be satisfied. I only ask that you accept mine. We can argue this to kingdom come but it will not change my faith or yours probably Good Luck.

Good man... are ye still trying to get people in the 3rd world to convert from their ethnic religions to Catholicism?.. How did the prayers for the conversion of Russia ever work out?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/09/2010 16:33:45    779227

corxxx.
do not even attempt to mention the troubles mate , u have not the slightest clue what went on there , only informed by the r.t.e and irish indo , thats how close you ever got , but feel you are a expert on the matter , do not even go there .

now getting back to the discussion , do you believe that it is right to blow yourself up in the name of god , and attempt to take as many as possible with you , our do you care to miss the boat the whole time .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 20/09/2010 16:44:18    779248

corxxx.
just a wee reminder i was never in the british government [ i think you are referring to the support the irish government , YOURS BY THE WAY , supported partition and the uphold of a illegal occupation of the six counties in ireland .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 20/09/2010 16:47:56    779252

Actually Dhorse When i talk of the Church i do mean the universal Church which as you say is all encompassing. The church including the Catholic Church are continuing to minister to the needs of the 3rd world. Both spiritual and corporal. The conversion of Russia actually is progressing you may have noticed that the totalitarian state known as the USSR has actually diintegrated without the confrontation with the west which might have caused total devastation and disaster to the world. So all in all I would say The church is working away quietly and to a very large extent suceeding. But Dhorse free will is Gods gift to you as it is to me and everyone else. The days of coercing people to adopt a religion has by and large dissapeared (that by the way was another mistake the church(universal) has put behind them.)

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 20/09/2010 17:02:58    779276