patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 9513

776448
16/09/2010 17:39:39
Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12877

776253
Martin McGuinness has prior work to go to not like paisley going to protest there is a difference . So wake up some of you.

16/09/2010 17:47:45
hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1801

776258
whats he doing dell




That's brilliant.

Still laughing.

"Martin McGuinness couldn't meet the Pope because he had work to do".

Didn't stop him meeting ME last April.


Obviously then Patrique you were his work that day,and what a hard days work it must have been for him.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/09/2010 08:53:35    776570

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12877

776253 Martin McGuinness has prior work to go to not like paisley going to protest there is a difference . So wake up some of you.

Why make excuses for not going? Why doesnt he just come out and say, he doesnt need to meet the pope every time he visits a foreign country. If he wants to go see the pope he can visit the vatican. If the pope came to Belfast then maybe he should make himself available. No need for the smokescreen!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 17/09/2010 10:08:27    776629

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 402

776629 Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12877

776253 Martin McGuinness has prior work to go to not like paisley going to protest there is a difference . So wake up some of you.

Why make excuses for not going? Why doesnt he just come out and say, he doesnt need to meet the pope every time he visits a foreign country. If he wants to go see the pope he can visit the vatican. If the pope came to Belfast then maybe he should make himself available. No need for the smokescreen

That is exactly what Martin Maguiness said on the news last night he was very clear about it. When the Pope comes to Ireland he will be glad to meet him. He needs noone to make excuses for him

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 11:05:22    776693

This was posted as a new thread but since the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

jimbodub
Posts: 6547
Dublin

17/09/2010

11:25

The latest words of "wisdom" from the pope

According to the Pope... "Atheists are like the Nazi's" Well it takes one to know one mate... Hitler Youth mean anything to you?

Administrator (None) - Posts: 535 - 17/09/2010 11:42:39    776745

jimbodub
Posts: 6547
Dublin

17/09/2010

11:25

The latest words of "wisdom" from the pope

According to the Pope... "Atheists are like the Nazi's" Well it takes one to know one mate... Hitler Youth mean anything to you?

Now let me try to understand the implications of this Post.

By his own admission Jimbo and many other posters here were baptised into the Catholic faith. They did not get to choose it was without their consent. However as they grew up they drifted away or made conscious decision to leave the structures and practices of the Catholic church. This church has without doubt raised individuals to positions of power that they have abused and are guilty of serious crimes against Children. My question is should I hold Jimbo and other posters responsible for the actions of the few ???

Joseph Ratzinger at age 14 was conscripted into a youth group that was obliged (the consequences of refusal were at best severe) to swear an oath of allegience to the fueherer. Joseph was conscripted into the armed forces at age 17 to defend his homeland from imminent invasion. At wars end he returned to his former life . The fueherer was the leader of the Nazi party who without doubt were responsible for the most serious of crimes against humanity. My question is again Should I hold Joseph Ratzinger responsible for the crimes of a few???


If I must hold Joseph Ratzinger to account for nazi crimes then I must hold Jimbo to account for the crimes of the Catholic church. We therefore are all guilty collectively, perhaps this is true, there are some theologians who would define the above as the "ORIGINAL SIN" that is the impurity of humanity

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 13:23:01    776891

Jimbodub that is not what he said,if you can't be bothered to put it in the proper context then you shouldn't bother at all.The Hitler Youth is a lame retort by the way,all young Germans were required to join and it was but a "boy scouts" type movement at the time.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/09/2010 13:26:25    776898

Yeah Patrique, I have heard of that before. My uncle has been in Stormant for years said Ian is quite the gentleman away from the cameras and he was good in the EU for Irish farmers. He also calls himself an Irishman. Like I said before he says what he says to win votes and gain support, dosn't necessary have to believe it himself!

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 17/09/2010 13:33:16    776905

The Pope can go kiss my ****...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/09/2010 13:37:57    776914

Haha.. sorry lads I shouldnt be winding you up...

Sure he's a great old lad.. with top bang on views

Including safe s*x in countries being destroyed by AIDS... Oh no wait a minute there now..!!

Who cares about some bloke in a hat.... the Catolic Church have some decent men and women involved.. but this whole connection to Rome...????

No thanks....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/09/2010 13:42:31    776922

Jimbo
I would be intereted in your thoughts on my previous post.

And having read your last one here is mine
Everyone knows that the spread of aids and other illness may be caused by sexual contact. This may be contained by the practice of safe sex as understood by most to be the use of condoms. My understanding of safe sex is in line with that of the catholic church. One lifetime faithful partner hence the use of condoms is not relevant in regard to STDs. The stance the Pope and church have is that to promote condoms as being the ultimate weapon against STDs is in fact to promote free sex which is contrary to the teachings of the church. I am easy with the teaching of the church. You are easy with the teaching of a hedonistic society neither of us should feel that our will is being imposed upon.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 14:29:43    776974

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1408

776974 Jimbo
I would be intereted in your thoughts on my previous post.

And having read your last one here is mine
Everyone knows that the spread of aids and other illness may be caused by sexual contact. This may be contained by the practice of safe sex as understood by most to be the use of condoms. My understanding of safe sex is in line with that of the catholic church. One lifetime faithful partner hence the use of condoms is not relevant in regard to STDs. The stance the Pope and church have is that to promote condoms as being the ultimate weapon against STDs is in fact to promote free sex which is contrary to the teachings of the church. I am easy with the teaching of the church. You are easy with the teaching of a hedonistic society neither of us should feel that our will is being imposed upon.

Glad to see your in touch with the realities of the modern world derryman. Such haughty notions are exactly why the catholic church is experiencing such a massive growth in numbers these days.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 17/09/2010 14:49:58    777009

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1408



Joseph Ratzinger at age 14 was conscripted into a youth group that was obliged (the consequences of refusal were at best severe) to swear an oath of allegience to the fueherer.

fair enough. As a mature aduld, in a position of power, he allowed known paedophiles to remain free and facilitated them to continue commiting crimes by not reporting them to the police. Whats the cop out for this one

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/09/2010 15:12:13    777043

well if the pope says i am a nazi well it must be true it would not be like a pope to tell a lie would it

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 17/09/2010 15:20:41    777062

Corrxxx

The realities of the modern world do not have to be my values. Ther are many realities of today that I would not choose to be my realityI am not haughty and neither is the church. We profess a belief that if practised would see many ills of the world disappear. But then that is how it has been since Adam was a boy. We are commissioned by Christ to be in this world but not of it. And I for one do not feel that Christianity is a numbers game you either find the faith of the church to be yours or not that is the choice of the individual indeed there is a phrase coming to the fore in the church now that may well be phrophetic in its nature. "Fewer but Truer".
Pope Benedict has came to administer to his flock at the bequest of the British state. If you wish to be a part of the flock that is fine if not that is also fine. The question I would ask of the knockers of my faith is "Why are you so afraid of our beliefs that you must attack them at every opportunity? Is it a case of only being able to find conviction in your own by denying others the right to have theirs.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 15:23:07    777068

Very good lads,now tell me Dublin City and the country in general is not a crime ridden **** hole because of the wain in moral values championed by all faiths.There is no moral outrage anymore,all this liberalism,secularism and hedonism that you all seem to hold in such high regard also has its pitfalls.Don't start giving me the whole run down on the churches short comings as that has been done already.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/09/2010 15:29:45    777078

Dhorse
I am not an apologist for the Pope. And to be honest I have heard storys/rumours about what you say. However I am not well enough informed to give you any specific answer or angle on it. However I still would regard him as a great man but a sinner like the rest of us. If he has made mistakes then I pray that he will not repeat them. For my own part I know that I have done many things that better fathers and Husbands would not do however I dont feel that I should stop being a father and husband. The church is not for the righteous it is for sinners and there are plenty of us in it.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 16:24:51    777137

Dhorse
I am not an apologist for the Pope. And to be honest I have heard storys/rumours about what you say. However I am not well enough informed to give you any specific answer or angle on it. However I still would regard him as a great man but a sinner like the rest of us. If he has made mistakes then I pray that he will not repeat them. For my own part I know that I have done many things that better fathers and Husbands would not do however I dont feel that I should stop being a father and husband. The church is not for the righteous it is for sinners and there are plenty of us in it.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 17/09/2010 16:38:57    777148

just after watching his meeting with The Arch bishop of Canterbury I Thought he spoke quite well although if you closed your eyes and listened you might be forgiven for thinking you were watching "Listen carefully,I will say this only once." an episode of Allo Allo!

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 17/09/2010 16:47:32    777153

My point derryman is the haughty notions of the church are driving some of its followers away. The church must move with the times. There are people dying of aids in Africa because they believe in God but cannot reconcile their behaviour with one element of his teachings, so they have unprotected sex.

Which do you think your GOD would consider a worse outcome
1.People dying from Aids as a reult of having sex with partners who they may not marry or

2.People using contraception, not dying from Aids and still having sex with partners who they may not marry

Because there's one thing for certain, they're not going to stop having sex!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 17/09/2010 16:52:48    777160

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1412

777137 Dhorse
I am not an apologist for the Pope. And to be honest I have heard storys/rumours about what you say. However I am not well enough informed to give you any specific answer or angle on it. However I still would regard him as a great man but a sinner like the rest of us. If he has made mistakes then I pray that he will not repeat them. For my own part I know that I have done many things that better fathers and Husbands would not do however I dont feel that I should stop being a father and husband. The church is not for the righteous it is for sinners and there are plenty of us in it.


I'm not talking about sins, thats for members of his church to deal with. passing everything off as sins is very handy, just confess them , to a cleric of course, profess your sorrow and off you go. I'm talking about crimes, not mere mistakes, which need to be dealt with by whichever jurisdiction they took place in. These mistakes you refer to, are they sins , crimes or some grey area in between. If its sins go ahead and pray, if its crimes then praying that he doesn't do it again is not good enough. If you're not informed enough to deal with these issues perhaps Mr Ratzinger may not be the great man you regard him as.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/09/2010 17:02:53    777170