Hag, fair dues to you, you are as honest as there is on this site. We all know Thurles Blues is childish and immature so just leave him be!!! Well done to Tipp on an incredible performance and as Patrique pointed out, Tipp won may u21s in the past and didnt build on it. I am sure that wont happen this time. Back to the drawing board for us I am afraid.

galwaycelt (Galway) - Posts: 307 - 12/09/2010 19:49:52    772436

galwaycelt:

If it any consolation on the result last night that's one of the strongest u21 teams I've seen and really many are the strenght of the senior team too.... have to say i was disappointed with galway Center back midfield and the young lad burke that came on looked good... a lot of yer best players were no shows!! but there there a fair amount that are still u21 again next year I'd say?? It's hard to rebuild a team when you loose the likes of Joe canning.

Pat:

Hopefully we can stick with them now think there's a few counties that will have to blood new talent in the nest few years and hopefully it dosen't just become a 2 horse race hurling needs a bit of varity but saying that I'll be more than happpy if tipp can put a few all-irelands under their belt.... they definately have the potential to do it but i think this year figured out they have to work hard to get it.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/09/2010 20:15:07    772463

congrats Tipp, the best under 21 team I have seen in a long time. That being said, while this was never a good Galway team they are better than they showed last night. We should have never travelled to Thurles and conceded home advanatge and until Galway County board start standing up to GAA headquarters we will always be considered second class hurling citizens. To those saying 'back to the drawing board for Galway', remember had the ref not bottled it in the senior quarter final we would have beaten Tipp. Really bad year for the minors and u21's but overall we are not that far away.
P.S two others points from last night, hurling should never be played under lights and secondly (and maybe I'm just getting very old) but while I love a few pints before a match, the amount of teenagers that were legless was shocking.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 12/09/2010 20:27:23    772477

A lot of these players will be gettin on the Tipp team at the tail end of your five in a row!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 12/09/2010 20:31:18    772482

onlyhurling:

I offered ye comiserations but to be honest to blame the Gaa for yer lack of success is a bit of a cop out.... ye have had fantastic underage over the last 20 years and never wonce profitted from it at senior grade... also ye have a moan about the ref well the same thing happened last year to tipp and they used it to drive them on and win an-allireland... tis about time galway stops looking for people to blame and took a step back and figured out why their not winning all-irelands....cause i sure as hell can't figure it out.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/09/2010 20:39:12    772489

hurling should never be played under lights

Why I've seen a few so far and quite enjoyed them also i havn't really heard many players complaining about it.... also i took a walk around the town before hand and to be honest didn't see too many legless teenagers??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/09/2010 20:42:07    772490

12/09/2010 20:42:07
HAG_AND_CHEESE
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hurling should never be played under lights



SACRILIGE!!!!!!!!

Since Casement Park got lights I have been to all the minor and U21 county finals again, including the minor last night.

there is just something about hurling under lights, it looks brilliant.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/09/2010 20:48:03    772497

And the last great U21 team was the Limerick 3 in a row team who went on to win..............

A cautionary tale.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/09/2010 20:49:08    772498

patrique:

Wouldn't say they were a great team... tipp with really only eoin kelly to speak of pushed them a few times and I think took them to a a replay or two... also they weren't hammering teams by big margins. Also many of them are the time of u21 success were not tasting the same success at the same time with the seniors. you can't expect to turn an under 21 side straight into a senior side you need establised older hurlers there too and a young crop waiting in the wings too.... look at the limerick team top scorer for the majority was mark keane never made it at senior wasn't cut out for it....5 of the tipp u21's have proven themselves at senior and seamus henessy and buddy o'mera i think will make the step next year too.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/09/2010 21:06:54    772524

buddy o'mera
Typo

Buggy o'meara

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/09/2010 21:17:51    772535

Hag, the reason Galway haven't won an AI in the last 20 years is Galways fault, not the GAA's I agree. The reason I believe is because we are developing the wrong type of hurler who are sucessful at the less physical underage game but can't cope at senior level. My point re standing up to the GAA is in relation to the fact that no other county would put up with having no home fixtures and having to travel to the furthest possible venue for every championship match.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 12/09/2010 21:48:04    772560

And the last great U21 team was the Limerick 3 in a row team who went on to win..............

Agree 100% but the thing is Tipp winning the senior this year now gives the underage players something to aim for - get in the team hold your place and win an All-Ireland. Sadly we never realyl harnessed the talent that came out of Limerik's under 21's. An All-Ireland senior final appearance in 2007 was as far as we got.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 13/09/2010 11:48:08    772732

in relation to the fact that no other county would put up with having no home fixtures

emmmm what about antrim.... also galway only played 2 bloody games if they were in a connaught championship they'd have had home games no doubt they came in at interprovential stage.... your taking it completely out of context!!

I don't see any teams moaning about having to play dublin in croke park this year.... is thurles the reason that galway lost then....the fixture was set and I think it has been set to be in semple stadium for the next 5 years also as was last years final.... the u21 final used to be on on the same day as the camogie final's but with camogie being a different governing body it's only right they have their own day.


I see galway are whinging again and they are the very ones having a go at tipp on this forum about the all-ireland last year... pot kettle black and all that. The gaa have put galway into the leinster championship to help them along when they complained they hadn't enough games.

One more thing I don't like the way certain galway posters are attributing the blame to tipp on this it a croke park decision... as far as i know the tipp county board said they didn't mind where it was played. I don't think a change of venue would have served up a different result in fairness.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 13/09/2010 19:40:09    773468

In fairness hag, I have seen no-one blame Tipp for this; the fault lies squarely on HQ. Also, for me and most other Galway fans it wasn't a question about winning or losing, it was the total lack of fair-play that was so offensive. Have a look at the posts on this site; no Galway fan questions the ability or rare skill demonstrated by the Tipp lads and no-one is questioning who were the better team. It was HQ's treatment of this bunch of young lads that left a bad taste.

So stop your whinging about Galway whinging and enjoy the great year ye've had before next year and we give you something to really whinge about ;)

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 13/09/2010 20:25:29    773528

Hag, please read back through my posts. Never once did I blame Tipp for this. Also I stated clearly that Galway's lack of winning an AI is their fault nobody elses. Neither did I use the ref as an excuse for losing to Tipp, I just stated that we were not that far away in the senior match and were within a refereeing error of winning. Finally your example of the treatment of Antrim by the GAA is fair but it backs up my point even better than I could myself.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 13/09/2010 20:55:19    773572

So stop your whinging about Galway

But galway are always whinging.... if tipp were playing cork or kilkenny they'd relish trying to beat tipp on their own door step.... so if thurles is to be set as the venue for the all-irelands u21 finals in the future as it has been for the last 2 years would you still have a problem with that. Thurles is the 2nd best ground in the country and as a hurling venue I don't think many come close.

I have seen no-one blame Tipp for this
Wasn't there someone who posted here about conspiracy theories favouring tipp because of apparantly officals high up in the gaa..... Did bother any tipp people where it was played probably should have been limerick but i for one would like to see u21 all-ireland continue in thurles it's a excellent venue for it.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 13/09/2010 20:55:40    773574

Hag,
also please read my post re who was the best team in the |U21 match, ye would have won this match if it was played on Mars (although come to think of it one of your posters may be more at home there)

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 13/09/2010 20:58:09    773578

Don't forget the Kerry U-21's and their performance on Saturday also!!!!

dingle1 (Clare) - Posts: 805 - 13/09/2010 21:21:00    773624

Congrats to Tipp, great side. It's a pity the GAAs disgraceful decision to play the Final in their training fround has taken the gloss off their victory last Saturday night

mossbags (Galway) - Posts: 1089 - 13/09/2010 21:30:55    773654

people don't just seem to get it. Croke park is the national stadium, thurles is a county ground, and by far the best one in the country. If the GAA want to turn Semple into a second national stadium then I have no problem with that and the next 500 u21 finals can be played there. Implications of this are that GAA HQ need to pay Tipp county board back the percentage of money they have spent develping Thurles as their county ground and Tipp need to develop their own ground. Tipp teams could no longer train in Semple and no more tipperary club matches could be played there. If GAA are going to use Croke park as an example they need to be prepared to see it through. So what is the furure for Thurles, a county ground (the best amoung 32) or a second national stadium. In relation to Cork loving to come to Thurles, how many Cork posters here would be happy to come to Thurles if you hadn't a home an away arrangement and all matches were to be in Thurles.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 14/09/2010 09:27:16    773752