derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1391

775752 Corxxx

Actually there are many many similarities between Mugabe and Mandela. Both were activists against white regimes. Both spent long periods in jail on dubious charges. Both were poularly elected to positions of power.

They were both friends of Charles Taylor also

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 11:55:24    775795

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1453

772772 Does CheFinny think he's being witty by calling everyone Uncle Tom I wonder? He's repeating it constantly like it's the funniest thing he's ever said, problem is it probably is.

Not true, he called me a "Yuppy Son of a celtic tiger last week", that was truly witty

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 12:32:48    775844

Mandela was part of a movement that used armed actions to further political objectives Corrxxx,thats all I'm saying.While I believe Mugabe has ultimately gotten his country into an awful mess,he did have legitimate gripes to be addressed,as do Hamas.Or are you towing the "western" line in relation to some movements now? Welcome aboard?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/09/2010 13:59:03    775950

I know about Darfur,you are refering to "Janjaweed" dhorse.I was joking,maybe you got it,maybe you didn't.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/09/2010 14:09:42    775962

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1391

775752 Corxxx

Actually there are many many similarities between Mugabe and Mandela. Both were activists against white regimes. Both spent long periods in jail on dubious charges. Both were poularly elected to positions of power.

And thats where the similarities abruptly end. One went onto complete his term of president, and won a nobel peace prize to boot, as per the constitution and the other continues to bleed his country dry for his own benefit as their indeposable leader.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 16/09/2010 14:10:22    775964

corrxxx
Iknow all that as well.
But Mandela might well be thinking " There but for the grace of God go I and (not to mention the fact the western world reached out and embraced him and did turn a blind eye to many things in order that he might become the legend he has)

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 16/09/2010 14:26:09    775996

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 380

775964 derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1391

775752 Corxxx

Actually there are many many similarities between Mugabe and Mandela. Both were activists against white regimes. Both spent long periods in jail on dubious charges. Both were poularly elected to positions of power.

And thats where the similarities abruptly end. One went onto complete his term of president, and won a nobel peace prize to boot, as per the constitution and the other continues to bleed his country dry for his own benefit as their indeposable leader.


The south african story is far from finished,, I have some aquaintances in the townships near capetown and the difference in attitudes between the older and younger people is profound, the older ones feel Mandela done wonders for them, which he did, however the younger ones feel that mandela's era is over and they want more, but feel that the people that took over from mandella are not continuing his work in their interests. their refusal to oust mugabe being a symptom of they being hamstrung by former freedom fighters who seem to have aquired Mercs and houses by the beach, does that sound familiar, similar to mugabes henchmen, mandela got out in time while the euphoria was still carrying the new nation, the next 25 years will be interesting.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 14:34:06    776010

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 698

775962 I know about Darfur,you are refering to "Janjaweed" dhorse.I was joking,maybe you got it,maybe you didn't.

i have sent memo to self,, BE ALERT

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 14:37:33    776015

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 700

775984 Very good Corrxxx,now give us a funny anecdote about a reconstruction of say,the Heights Bar massacre,the perpetrators here were laughing as they made their getaway so you know the real event was hilarious to some.Or perhaps you could pick the Hyde Park bombing,there is something funny about the fact that horses of all creatures were killed here,right?

775962 I know about Darfur,you are refering to "Janjaweed" dhorse.I was joking,maybe you got it,maybe you didn't.

Maybe you could tell us a funny joke about the 500,000 people who have been killed as a result of this conflict, as its hilarious to some. Or is ok to joke just about African tragedies. Everything else incl. Goerge W. is off limits.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 16/09/2010 15:44:22    776110

775962 I know about Darfur,you are refering to "Janjaweed" dhorse.I was joking,maybe you got it,maybe you didn't.

Maybe you could tell us a funny joke about the 500,000 people who have been killed as a result of this conflict, as its hilarious to some. Or is ok to joke just about African tragedies. Everything else incl. Goerge W. is off limits.

I made a joke about the misspelling of a word Corrxxx,you made a joke about the murders of thousands of people.I will not get into this anymore as its only going to descend into petty whataboutery.Besides I am actually right on this one and you know it,you would have unequivocally reprimanded somebody for it had it been a joke about Afghani deaths.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/09/2010 18:53:54    776347

County: Kerry
Posts: 392

776110 seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 700


Maybe you could tell us a funny joke about the 500,000 people who have been killed as a result of this conflict, as its hilarious to some. Or is ok to joke just about African tragedies. Everything else incl. Goerge W. is off limits.

THe chinese are big players in that part of the world. They are doing all sorts of deals to get oil rights, They have trillions of USDs in reserve

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 19:10:58    776366

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 713

776347 775962 I know about Darfur,you are refering to "Janjaweed" dhorse.I was joking,maybe you got it,maybe you didn't.

Maybe you could tell us a funny joke about the 500,000 people who have been killed as a result of this conflict, as its hilarious to some. Or is ok to joke just about African tragedies. Everything else incl. Goerge W. is off limits.

I made a joke about the misspelling of a word Corrxxx,you made a joke about the murders of thousands of people.I will not get into this anymore as its only going to descend into petty whataboutery.Besides I am actually right on this one and you know it,you would have unequivocally reprimanded somebody for it had it been a joke about Afghani deaths.

Well it was supposed to be a joke about George Bush until the pc brigade came along!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 17/09/2010 10:59:50    776689

Ok mate,whatever helps you sleep at night.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/09/2010 13:35:44    776908

Corrxxx

I would refer you to the GFA in relation to the checks and balances - Code of ethics for MLA's, Police accountability, government through consensus and agreement, Bill of rights e.t.c.

In the South we have currently the least popular government in the States history which is saddling generations of Irish tax payers with the debt of a few dozen men. Opinion polls show that the people do not agree with the course of action being taken yet there is currently no mechanism within the Dail to restrict their actions or hold them accountable. By the time the people are afforded the right to speak it could well be too late.

Re Nice and Lisbon
You are incorrect in your assertion that the Treaties were "redrafted". Not a single clause, paragraph, sentence , word or comma was changed in either Treaty before the second vote. The Irish people voted on the exact same Treaty twice, the second time saying yes after a concentrated media campaign of coercion and outright blackmail. The seperate 'legally binding' assurances are not worth the beer mats they are written on as the Treaties will take precedence in the EU courts. The same EU courts threw out the 'legally binding' assurances given to Denmark over the 1992 Maastricht Treaty; they are meaningless, but they gave FF the political fig leaf they required to overturn a democratic vote - twice.

Re M. McGuinness

Martin McGuinness as stated several times of his previous membership of the IRA which the voters who took him into power were fully aware off, as previous posters have stated; this is hardly a new phenomenon in Irish politics. Whatever about what you perceive to be the rights and wrongs of his previous actions there can be no doubt he acted selflessly and risked his life for the betterment of his people. The same can not be said of Charlie Haughey and his disciples.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 17/09/2010 17:36:16    777194

artisan i have no time for charlie but do you not remember the gun running ,

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 17/09/2010 17:57:54    777215

Talking about an overly simplistic and goading thread. Ireland = bad, Uk = good. Is that the answer you're hoping for hipster??

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 18/09/2010 12:30:52    777544