Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2010 13:17:24    774966

'Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.'

Is he seriously comparing Mandela to McGuinness? Can't wait for Invictus Part II: The Martin McGuinness story

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 15/09/2010 14:19:12    775049

seanie_boy
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774966 Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

Rebel movement as in ganja weed militia, taliban, farc, khmer rouge, RIRA etc. This is not the place to be having sling shots at mr Mc Guinness

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/09/2010 14:39:05    775072

seanie_boy
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774966 Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

Oh yes Seanie, its COMPLICATED I guess. Some rebel leaders are exactly that, REBEL LEADERS. And some rebel leaders are in fact TERRORISTS.
Thats why when Al Qaeda were attacking and killing young Russian soldiers in Afghanistan they were rebels fighting a noble jihad.
When they were attacking and killing the Allies in afghanistan they were terrorists.

No contradiction whatsoever

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 15/09/2010 17:09:28    775237

seanie_boy
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774966 Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

Thats what I'd call a monumental leap in logic! Just like

Bertie Ahern was the leader of a western government just like Hitler and Mussolini

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 15/09/2010 17:22:24    775254

You have an aversion to him personally Plunkett? Well in that case what about Bobby Sands MP or Mayor Terence Mac Swiney.Or is it only IRISH rebels you hold in contempt?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2010 18:03:59    775324

Corrxxx
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775254 seanie_boy
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774966 Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

Thats what I'd call a monumental leap in logic! Just like

Bertie Ahern was the leader of a western government just like Hitler and Mussolini

Now Corxxx if the above is to large a leap for you try this one.
Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams entered politics as did Michael Collins and Eamonn Devalera before them. Perhaps that will help.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 15/09/2010 18:04:43    775326

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Bertie Ahern was the leader of a western government just like Hitler and Mussolini .

Bertie Ahern was nothing like the other 2. Bertie only left the economy in a mess and the trains still dont run on time.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 15/09/2010 18:11:38    775343

Corrxxx I think you will find that Al-Quaeda was formed at the end of the Russian and Afghan conflict so they wouldn't have been killing many Russian soldiers,that was the 'Mujihadeen' fighters.As for them being labelled terrorists,thats what happens when you give refuge to people who drive jumbo jets into buildings to kill as many people as you can.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2010 21:48:29    775588

wrong seanie

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/09/2010 21:53:14    775601

'Ganja Weed Militia' dhorse? I would be curious to know about their politics and philosophy.They sound like they might be getting high alot or are fighting for the right to get high alot? Or maybe they are some kind of hippie/rastafarian movement.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/09/2010 21:55:12    775607

seanie_boy .
here here .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/09/2010 21:55:19    775608

seanie_boy
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775588 Corrxxx I think you will find that Al-Quaeda was formed at the end of the Russian and Afghan conflict so they wouldn't have been killing many Russian soldiers,that was the 'Mujihadeen' fighters.As for them being labelled
terrorists,thats what happens when you give refuge to people who drive jumbo jets into buildings to kill as many people as you can.

My mistake, well spotted. Though I'd be willing to guess that quite a few of Al Qaeda's current members in Afghanistan were the mujihadeen that fought in the soviet war.
Are we now at a point where we have a new precise definition of what constitutes a terrorist or can it be slightly altered to include
terrorists, thats what happens when you give refuge to people who plant bombs in buildings to kill as many people as you can.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 16/09/2010 10:25:05    775709

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775709 seanie_boy
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775588 Corrxxx I think you will find that Al-Quaeda was formed at the end of the Russian and Afghan conflict so they wouldn't have been killing many Russian soldiers,that was the 'Mujihadeen' fighters.As for them being labelled
terrorists,thats what happens when you give refuge to people who drive jumbo jets into buildings to kill as many people as you can.

My mistake, well spotted. Though I'd be willing to guess that quite a few of Al Qaeda's current members in Afghanistan were the mujihadeen that fought in the soviet war.
Are we now at a point where we have a new precise definition of what constitutes a terrorist or can it be slightly altered to include
terrorists, thats what happens when you give refuge to people who plant bombs in buildings to kill as many people as you can.
or can it be slightly altered to include
terrorists, thats what happens when you give refuge to people who fly planes and drop bombs on buildings to kill as many people as you can.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 16/09/2010 10:30:16    775712

Corrxxx
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775709 seanie_boy
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775588 Corrxxx I think you will find that Al-Quaeda was formed at the end of the Russian and Afghan conflict so they wouldn't have been killing many Russian soldiers,that was the 'Mujihadeen' fighters.As for them being labelled
terrorists,thats what happens when you give refuge to people who drive jumbo jets into buildings to kill as many people as you can.

My mistake, well spotted. Though I'd be willing to guess that quite a few of Al Qaeda's current members in Afghanistan were the mujihadeen that fought in the soviet war.
Are we now at a point where we have a new precise definition of what constitutes a terrorist or can it be slightly altered to include
terrorists, thats what happens when you give refuge to people who plant bombs in buildings to kill as many people as you can.
or can it be slightly altered to include
terrorists, thats what happens when you give refuge to people who fly planes and drop bombs on buildings to kill as many people as you can.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 16/09/2010 10:30:36    775713

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775326 Corrxxx
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775254 seanie_boy
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774966 Ah now Corrxxx let me put in the missing part for you.Martin Mc Guinness was a member of a rebel movement just like Nelson Mandela and George Washington,both of whom were labelled terrorists by their adversaries.

Thats what I'd call a monumental leap in logic! Just like

Bertie Ahern was the leader of a western government just like Hitler and Mussolini

Now Corxxx if the above is to large a leap for you try this one.
Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams entered politics as did Michael Collins and Eamonn Devalera before them. Perhaps that will help.

I was trying to highlight the ridiculousness of using the greatness of two rebel leaders to infer greatness on another. We could go at this all day
Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams entered politics as did Hamas and Robert Mugabe.
=>Nelson Mandela is just like Robert Mugabe

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 16/09/2010 10:34:24    775716

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775343 Corrxxx
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Bertie Ahern was the leader of a western government just like Hitler and Mussolini .

Bertie Ahern was nothing like the other 2. Bertie only left the economy in a mess and the trains still dont run on time.

Hitler took over when the economy was in a mess and made germany a world power (for a while).
Roy Keane for Taoiseach and let us take our place on the world stage like we should have in 2002 Roy!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 16/09/2010 10:38:29    775718

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I am not sure that anyone is inferring greatness on the current crop of revolutionaries turned politicians ( I certainly am not that will be the job of future historians) But I would try to draw attention to the similarities of the journey and to me there are many. Indeed I am beginning to wonder if the world as a whole is not caught up in some sort of a groundhog day scenario! but however minus the learning from our mistakes ability.,

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 16/09/2010 10:53:29    775732

Corxxx

Actually there are many many similarities between Mugabe and Mandela. Both were activists against white regimes. Both spent long periods in jail on dubious charges. Both were poularly elected to positions of power.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 16/09/2010 11:15:52    775752

seanie_boy
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775607 'Ganja Weed Militia' dhorse? I would be curious to know about their politics and philosophy.

check out darfur.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 16/09/2010 11:52:16    775790