he probably isnt dell, but then hes not a referee is he?

i agree 100% with stolenchainsaw, there is no excuse for referees not knowing the rules and in many instances they bring the abuse on themselves. Still they should never be hit

bountyhunter (Cavan) - Posts: 302 - 04/09/2010 12:19:59    764890

I wrote this before but Admin didn't let it in. I was talking to a few people who were at the match and both of them said to me that the referee wasn't fit enough to referee the game, The whole game he stayed between the 2 45's and missed some game play which could of cost Glenullin the match. I know hitting a referee is wrong but maybe there should of been a referee fit enough to manage the game. I wish the referre all the best

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 04/09/2010 12:27:16    764893

It doesn't matter if the ref is not fit or doesn't know the rules there is no place for hitting or abusing them. If you have a problem go through the relevant channels. They all do their best, I dont see anyone running to hit the full forward if he makes a mistake or puts a ball wide. We are already short of refs they should be all protected and punishments should be lifetime bans for hitting refs

tonorio (Offaly) - Posts: 609 - 04/09/2010 19:30:38    765210

Heard that too orlaith. I heard the ref got injured in the first half and couldn't run to keep up with play. It was apparently suggested to him that a replacement ref should be sought at half time but he insisted he was fit to carry on. For virtually the whole second half he couldn't move and stayed around the middle. At the very end Eoin Bradley was virtually clean through when he was rugby tackled to the ground and didn't get a free, the ref apparently couldn't see the foul and virtually blew up straight away, which was when the incident happened. That is a Ballinascreen version of events (Bradleys opponents on the day). Sounds like the ref brought it on himself but none the less assault is assault and Bradley deserves all he gets, if it happened anywhere else he would be formally charged with assault or GBH!

oso (Antrim) - Posts: 168 - 05/09/2010 09:33:38    765352

oso
County: Antrim
Posts: 67

"Sounds like the ref brought it on himself "

There is so much wrong with that statement that I dont know where to start. No referee brings it on himself to be assaulted no matter how unfit, how ignorant of the rules or how incompetent he is. At the end of the day, these guys are giving up their time (for a pitiful amount of expenses that I would guess hardly puts petrol in their cars) so that the rest of us can get on with playing the game. Yes some referees are not as fit as they might be (as are a lot of players), yes some of them might not have kept up with whatever latest batch of rules Croke Park have dreamt up (as have a lot of players, managers and pundits), and yes a lot of them make wrong decisions (dont get me started on the amount of poor decisions players and managers make in the course of the game). But they are doing their best and if all the critics of referees actually gave refereeing a go themselves, there might be enough referees to allow us to pick and choose the best ones. As it is, it is a struggle for fixtures secretarys to get enough referees to cover all the games. As a result some of the less fit and less competent referees have to be used. You cant get the same 10 or 12 referees to referee all the games in a county.

For all the talk about clamping down on abuse of referees, the GAA is still far too lax and needs to get tough with offenders. An absolute zero tolerance of physical abuse of refs no matter how bad they are. Lifetime bans for any player, manager or supporter found guilty of assaulting a ref. Reporting to the the gardai of all assaults on refs and full cooperation with them afterwards. Court orders to be taken out on any supporter who enters the field to abuse a ref, preventing them from entering any GAA grounds. Teams to be thrown out of competitions for serious abuse of refs by players mentors or fans. All refs should be told to get tough on verbal abuse and to send off all those guilty even if teams end up losing 3 or 4 players in a game. Proper bans (2-3 months minimum) for anyone sent off for verbal abuse of the ref. Longer bans for repeat offenders. Severe action to be taken against any mentors of underage teams who abuse refs at underage games, starting with year long bans on mentoring underage teams and lifetime bans for repeat offenders.
I know it sounds way over the top but this is what needs to be done. This has been going on far too long and needs to be stopped now.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 05/09/2010 11:43:20    765414

anfearbeag
County: Meath
Posts: 231

I couldn't have said it better myself.

itsgreenandgold (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 05/09/2010 12:35:42    765442

Re anfearbeag

read my post again, at no point do I condone what Bradley did, I have stated that he deserves all he gets and although I'm not keen on the idea of the Garda or PSNI investigating every incident on a gaa pitch I think players need to realise that in any other walk of life they would find themselves in court for such an assault.

The point I am trying to make is that respect is a mutual thing, the guy in question was clearly injured and not fit to keep up with play, my source told me that this was suggested to him at half time and there was a replacement available but he declined. The game clearly suffered as a consequence of what can at best be described as an unwise and ignorant decision which one can only assume was based on self interest. It shows a total lack of respect for the players involved on both teams (for many of these guys this is what their whole year is geared towards, championship QF!) and is no doubt why the losers felt so aggreived. In that respect he contibuted to the situation.

So before coming on here and taking one line out of context and analysing it my friend, in future read the whole post!

oso (Antrim) - Posts: 168 - 05/09/2010 13:19:24    765456

Orlaith If he was fit or not he did not deserve to be hit pathetic excuse to be fair . And i believe he has done 2 senior finals in derry .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 05/09/2010 15:07:25    765529

regardless of who or where or what the reason was - if you strike a ref you should get a lifetime ban, abuse a ref a year ban, question a ref a month ban- would anyone even consider striking a ref in rugby? no, because rugby isnt an outlet for thugs pretending to be hardmen

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/09/2010 15:11:40    765536

FAO JIMBO


I see my quiestion was not answered by you on this issue as i would like a comment from you ...

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/09/2010 16:34:46    767857

To add to what has alreday been said the referee was also from Glenullin's bitter rivals, Dungiven.

Saying that though if he hit the referee he has to take his punishment, and he will.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 07/09/2010 16:51:58    767891

Derry_ledd
County: Derry
Posts: 1266


Does not matter if he was from a club of bitter rivals or not i cant see him been bias .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/09/2010 16:55:33    767901

Im not implying he was bias dellboy, however I can see why the Glenullin team may have considered that.

Also, referee bias in club football is a real issue, I take your ignorance of this as a good thing and admire youre objectivity.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 07/09/2010 17:01:14    767916

never seen jimbo so quiet. dell really shut him up this time.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 07/09/2010 17:10:35    767937

Derry_ledd
County: Derry
Posts: 1267


Look as you know am a ref i go out and try and do a game to the best of my ability and would never be bias as it is hard enough to keep poeple happy without that nonsense and i would think other refs would be the same , and i was at a game of my club few weeks ago and some mentors on the line from my club thought ref was bias but i thought he had a fine game . Please discuss or debate without the insults .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/09/2010 17:32:11    768000

48 weeks is an enormous ban for the player, has anyone ever heard of a ban that long before?

I suppose a ban is a ban, assaulting referees cannot be tolerated. The only thing about it is that this should not be treated as a milestone against this one player.

In other words, if someone else hits a referee next week, the same length of a ban should apply

Otherwise, we've got yet another can of worms

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 07/09/2010 17:35:57    768008

gigoer
County: Wexford
Posts: 29

768008 48 weeks is an enormous ban for the player, has anyone ever heard of a ban that long before?


I know off a player that got 96 weeks for the same offence .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 07/09/2010 17:41:32    768019

geraghty got a longer ban so went off and played rugby until he could play again.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 07/09/2010 17:51:24    768032

This thread jimbo just your hiding from it.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 08/09/2010 14:36:15    768817

Dell catch yourself on, he hasnt answered the question. GET OVER IT

weered92 (Derry) - Posts: 296 - 08/09/2010 15:54:16    768912