Was watching tg4 last night, the 2002 AI semi final. What happened to Ray after that year? What a year he had, wonder did he do a deal with the devil to have one great year. Also that great Armagh team. I know they won plenty of Ulsters but one All Ireland from such a great group of players, forgot how good they were. 1 to 15 household names, its a shame they didnt win more.

murphy89 (Mayo) - Posts: 128 - 02/09/2010 17:23:49    763698

Me and the mates where on about Ray one day about a month ago! We where saying Dublin hadn't settled on a full-foward in a long time and they havn't had a steady free taker since Charlie Redmond!!

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 02/09/2010 20:09:58    763896

he really did hav a great year in 02 there is a fantastic picture in a pub in ardee of a goal he scored against meath taken from behind the goal at the hill end. i know its kinda goin off the topic but mark vaughan is another guy that had so much potential but disappeared totally from the public eye after the club ai.

late_and_high (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 03/09/2010 10:56:40    764128

Those Crokes players, never capitalise on their potential :-)

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 03/09/2010 11:15:25    764148

I really think Vaughan flatters to deceive i can't remember any contribution from open play from him...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 03/09/2010 11:36:02    764172

Cosgrove was around the Dubs panel before but never made it on the big stage. He still plays Club football for Crokes but he never puts huge scores up for them. A one year wonder really the ball broke for him 9 times out of 10 in that championship except for the free hitting the post. Past his best at this stage but very good club footballer is all i would call him being honest. Regards Vaughan think he does have the talent just doesnt care really all about hinself and the team comes second.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 03/09/2010 11:49:54    764195

I watched that the other night too and it was only then that i remember how good a footballer ciaran whelan was. Some of his scores were unreal and his feilding was first class too.

dizzydub (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 03/09/2010 11:58:36    764207

It is funny but I think that some players are utterly dependent on confidence to perform and if they lose it they never get it back. It could very well be that the free Cosgrove missed in that semi-final against Armagh to draw the match at the death had serious repercussions on his confidence.

I never thought that Vaughan quite as impressed as Cosgrove from play but he was a superb free-taker. However, I understand that he was tear-away who wasn't willing to sacrifice his social pleasures for the military self-discipline required by the modern game and was largely let go because of it. A pity because had definitely had something, a cheek and a spark that is refreshing to see. I reckon that Vaughan could have been a great player in the 80s.

It is amazing to think that over the past 10 years since 2002 Dublin have come within 1 point on three occassions (2002, 2006, 2010) of being in the final and within 2 points in 2007!

Meath1986 (Dublin) - Posts: 247 - 03/09/2010 12:00:13    764211

i remember vaughan alright. he kicked great frees agin us in the leinster club. scored a great goal agin team from galway in mullingar too. think he could have been a good double act with BBrogan for dublin this year.IF he's fit mind you.
Maybe Vaughaners(!) is just taking a break?
is he still playing for crokes?

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 03/09/2010 12:03:12    764216

Meath1986

I never thought that Vaughan quite as impressed as Cosgrove from play but he was a superb free-taker. However, I understand that he was tear-away who wasn't willing to sacrifice his social pleasures for the military self-discipline required by the modern game and was largely let go because of it.

We must have a similar source.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/09/2010 12:58:10    764289

Ar noigh Mayo,
we'll never see the likes of that Armagh team again but thiocfidh ar la i Ard Mhacha aris.(indeed Mayo but our day will come in Armagh again)
ard Mhacha Abu!!!

CrossGael (Armagh) - Posts: 4 - 03/09/2010 16:53:14    764556

He put the final nail in the coffin against Cross in the All Ireland Club final on Paddy's Day... and vanquished his ghosts

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 17:02:35    764564

mark vaughan is a good free taker but poor from play not intercounty standered, fair play to ray he is still putting in very good performances for crokes at the moment very intelligent footballer

rubywalsh (Dublin) - Posts: 356 - 04/09/2010 18:01:54    765121

I remember him in 02 think he scored 6-26. However he will always be remembered for that miss against armagh. Thats probably the reason why he never regained that form. I remember in 03 Frankie Dolan scored 12 points in a game against offaly and then 13 point against kildare the next game. Some of the points he scored that day were unbelievable. However he missed some awful frees against Kerry in the QF and never recovered either and unlike cosgrove not even an all-star.

Rosfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 778 - 04/09/2010 18:28:56    765162

'Great' teams should win more than one All-Ireland.

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 04/09/2010 18:33:47    765169

He really only had one good year although he did have loads of potential he really failed to impress the following year in the managements eyes

dubinlaois (Dublin) - Posts: 304 - 04/09/2010 19:08:54    765191

The miss was somewhat of a defining point in his carrer alright.
Unfortunate for him after the year he had put in.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 04/09/2010 21:25:22    765307

NavyNBlue
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764148 Those Crokes players, never capitalise on their potential :-)

Typical soft Southsiders!!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 05/09/2010 12:18:45    765433

great armagh team? surely your having a laugh- there was never even a good armagh team never mind a great one

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/09/2010 15:12:59    765539

more All Irelands than Mayo in the last 15 years anyway ;)

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