Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5709


Oh dear...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 02/09/2010 17:21:25    763690

Jimbo,

Oh Dear is right !! lol !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/09/2010 17:42:34    763723

They should not have a say as not all of the players are with them.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 02/09/2010 19:20:14    763838

somebody put the kettle on , i am off to the shop for some jaffa cakes ;]

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 19:39:39    763857

On balance i have to agree with the directive to stay off the pitch, i know its very exciting for supporters in seeing their team win the all ireland and its quiet natural for one to want to be part off the celebrations and to cheer on and clap their heroes on the back, but having witnessed this first hand and with the numbers of children attending it is down right dangerous, just imagine one person falling or tripping with the excitement in the rush, there would be a multiple pile up, no one would stop and it could be an all- ireland to remember for all the wrong reasons.
Just imagine the pain and grief that would visit a family, a county and indeed the whole sporting community if some one or more recieved fatal injuries following such a stampede, You can take it as read that the GAA would then come in for hugh critism and that the all ireland final would be meanlingless from a sportingpoint of view.
I know some people will say its going on for years and no one was ever hurt, and to be truthfull about it, i done it my self, but as i grow older i can see dangers that i never saw before and i see plenty of them in the present arrangements, we all have a duty of care and by observing the request or directive call it what you like we can all play our part in making such games more enjoyablel and safe for every one, i want the radio and tv pundits to be disscussing the hurling on monday morning and not disscussing funerals or burials

shrewdjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 290 - 02/09/2010 20:42:56    763940

shrewdjudge, by that way of thinking, it would make more sense that people should never get in a plane, or a car, as they may be in a crash. We should never go to the cliffs of moher as we may fall off etc etc etc etc.
To live your life being in fear of what might happen, when it never has, would be a pretty joyless way of life

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 03/09/2010 09:23:39    764070

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6453

Hahaha I love exposing this stuff... it's absolutely farcical...

Calm down Agatha Chrisite. I hope An Dun win the thing and their passionate supporters rip that fench from its hinges. As a fully paid up GAA man for thirty years I dont want it, forget the GPA top table, not interested in their opinions on the matter

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 03/09/2010 10:26:39    764105

Cavan Slasher

As I said... best of luck down the bookies... I hope you lose everytime. If the players dont make a penny for their efforts.. then neither do you.

I think making money on the back of our amateur players is terrible to be honest... disgraceful in fact.... and then very hypocritical then to criticise the GPA for trying to do the same thing for the players. I can only assume by GPA greed you mean the Grant Scheme? Becuase you see when you just so losely use the term GPA, you have to understand exactly what that means, What do you think the GPA are exactly, because you are actually referring to 2000+ Inter County players... the life blood of Inter County football/Hurling. The GPA would not exists if it wasnt for the overwhelming support of it's Inter County footballers. It simply wouldnt be... the vast majority of Inter County players are member of the GPA.

Is it their greed you have a problem with... so they shouldnt receive a grant? For all their efforts... while you can make money on their very backs down the bookies. You say that perhaps you can lose a few quid... here's a tip for you, dont go down the bookies and well there you go.. Why should you make money on the back of players, that are out there doing it for free.. I mean talk about Greed.

Just be careful throwing stones CS, you might just hit someone very close to you... how many Cavan Players are now in a better position thanks to Grant Scheme and the on going efforts of the GPA?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 10:55:39    764127

CheFinny
County: UK
Posts: 945

Similar attitudes have been sadly seen North of this country...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 11:24:30    764161

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6458

764127 Cavan Slasher

As I said... best of luck down the bookies... I hope you lose everytime. If the players dont make a penny for their efforts.. then neither do you.


They get money of county boards they get grants , and tell me the G.P.A got 1.2 million and for what and 250 thousands admin costs , joke if you asked me. and that is not counting sponsor money .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 03/09/2010 11:28:19    764164

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12637



It goes to the projects that have been put in place... it's an expensive business, plus the GAA can take back the remainder of said money, if it hasnt been spent on the various projects that are currently being developed.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 11:37:30    764174

They get money of county boards they get grants

Exactly Dell... so you agree that if it's ok for a person to make money through gambling, it's only fair that the player themselves should receive something in return..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 11:39:19    764178

jimbodub projects my backside a load of crap they go there .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 03/09/2010 11:40:59    764181

jimbodub you keep stating the players make nothing yes they do make money or is that the plan of the G.P.A to go pro ? showing your true colours now regarding getting money .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 03/09/2010 11:49:27    764193

Eddie Brennan, Mick Kavanagh and a number of other KK players have publicly stated they prefer the pitch invasion. PJ may be on teh video but was a vote taken by the GPA or is this just the head honchos cosing up to HQ now they are in bed with each other?

I have particpated in pitch invasions. Walked on with no threat of danger ever. The fence increases the potential for injuries. But sure they need to get the sponsorship highlighted during the cup presentation.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 03/09/2010 11:58:58    764209

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12639

764193 jimbodub you keep stating the players make nothing yes they do make money or is that the plan of the G.P.A to go pro ? showing your true colours now regarding getting money .

Not at all Dell.... you cant see it can you..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 12:14:32    764231

jimbodub oh believe me i seen through the G.P.A years ago as that is there aim money .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 03/09/2010 12:33:30    764263

Fighting an immense reargaurd action here Jimbo ;)

With regard to your point on gambling, I fail to see the relativity of the amatuer status of players. Gambling is between the punter and the bookie. The players neither win nor lose as a result. The fact that they do not get paid is irrelevant in my book. Should we not bet on horse racing as the horse does not get paid or greyhound racing? I couldn't disagree with you more on this point and I am by no means a big gambler. It also gives a bit of added interest in games that do not involve your county, club etc and does not have any impact on players whatsoever.

However on other points you do have some merit. Supporters have played a large part in bringing us to the situation we are at regards pitch invasions. I remember some idiot purporting to be a Tyrone supporter have a rattle at the Gooch in 2005 as well as the other occasions mentioned. The Leinster final was another contributory factor and indeed probably fast-tracked the process. I'm not altogether sure that the majority of players support the decision to stop pitch invasions, although I have no evidence to back this up. I have spoken to a couple of the Tyrone lads and a couple of Derry fellas and they were not asked for their opinion and all of them said that they had no issue with the pitch invasion, although one of the Tyrone lads did want to see a few changes with it. The pitch invasion as it currently stands is probably untenable. The players are subsumed immediately by supporters and although probably accepted as a member of the winning team, the losing players in all likelihood do not need this experience at a time when they are completley devastated. My suggestion would be to go with a type of orderly invasion as it were, an idea previously mooted. Give the players a chance to congratulate, commiserate etc with each other and cordon off and arae under the Hogan for them and then let the fans on to the pitch. I think (hope) that fans would respect this and wait until their turn.

With regards a couple of your other points, I do not agree with pay for play, and ultimately I do think that this is an objective further down the line for the GPA, but that is only my opinion. I agree that the GPA do some great work in terms of player welfare, development and education and I welcome that. I also agree that players probably deserve more than they get at the moment although lets be honest, they are not that badly looked after. I can only speak for Tyrone but the training gear is excellent, the facilities are excellent, they stay in the best hotels and receive the best medical treatment and rightfully so. A few lads are in jobs that they only got through their status as top GAA players and again I have no trouble with this, but the fact is that it is a three way street. The fans have nothing without the players, the players are nothing without the fans and the GAA is nothing without any or both of the others. Players may need and deserve more than they get at the moment, but fans also deserve the best. As a fan all I want is for the lads/lassies out there representing me and my county to give their best and recognise at times the sacrifices fans make to support them. I follow Tyrone everywhere. Up and down the country, McKenna cup, national league, championship. I invest good time and money and only ask for 100% percent effort and a wee bit of recognition from the players and managment in maybe an autograph for the children or a photo and thankfully in Tyrone we have lads that are humble, respectful and all too accomodating when possible in this respect.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 03/09/2010 12:50:15    764279

Agatha I think you have lost this argument anyway, pipe down and make me a wee cup of tae there now.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 03/09/2010 12:58:15    764290

CheFinny
County: UK
Posts: 947


Lost what argument Mr Paisley

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2010 13:21:32    764311