TheMaster
County: Mayo
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763844 People seem to forget, if they hadnt gone into iraq saddam hussain would still be running the show, hardly a suitable alternative. What about the scores of people he has killed or lives he has ruined?

The ends justify the means. Saddam was an evil dicator who offered the US nothing. If your criteria for regime change in the world is based on number of people killed and lives ruined then the world would be at eternal war. Where do you stand on:
1. Mugabe: Destroyed his country and killed countless Zimbabweans in the process
2. Kim Jong-Il: Honestly this guy makes Saddam look like a pussycat
3. Omar Al Bashir: Countless murdered in Darfur
not to mind all the dictators who were allowed to perpetrate murders at will in the past
4. Stalin, Im not even going to quote figures for this guy.
5. Idi Amin
6. Pinochet
7. Pol Pot

No one has ever been removed for ideological reasons. theres always another motivation. Who is going to go down to remove Mugabe when his country has no oil, no strategic interest for the US. However look at Iran, if the US eventually decide they want their oil, they wont be long convincing people like you that one of the reasons that they're going in there is that the Iyatollah executes puppies for fun.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 03/09/2010 10:25:07    764103

TheMaster
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763844
People seem to forget, if they hadnt gone into iraq saddam hussain would still be running the show,



Might as well say it is a pity saddam did not invade Britain because it meant Tony was still running the show.

and if the Normans hadn't invaded Ireland in 1192 or whatever God knows who would have been running the show.

Must be great deciding who is fit to run the sho in a foreign country.

Maybe Britain will hang on to the North in case Cowan ends up "running the show".

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 03/09/2010 18:23:36    764638

Tony Blair did a great job with the NI peace process!

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 03/09/2010 18:56:34    764671

The serial protesters out in force again I see throwing eggs and shoes; what a bunch of unruly thugs they are. Nothing wrong with protest but conduct yourself with reason and dignity.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 04/09/2010 14:08:16    764967

You wouldn't think that there was a recession on the price of Eggs and shoes !

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 04/09/2010 14:35:54    764985

won't someone please think of poor innocent chicks who died for the cause in dublin today :(

Dubsfan08 (Dublin) - Posts: 619 - 04/09/2010 17:38:50    765107

A lot of poor wee chicks died in Iraq because of Mr Blair and his allies.

The man is a war criminal, as he now acknowledges, but the demo should have shown more decorum as we are better than the Blairs of this world.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/09/2010 18:00:25    765118

usual aul head out protesting. i saw some young thugs laughing on sky news - some people just want to cause trouble. i wonder is iraq safer today than when saddam ruled? - well facts show more children are living.
nearly every month we hear of police raids on planned terror attacks. terrorism is real and now its time to oust that flute in iran

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12122 - 04/09/2010 18:30:47    765163

yew_tree
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usual aul head out protesting. i saw some young thugs laughing on sky news - some people just want to cause trouble. i wonder is iraq safer today than when saddam ruled? - well facts show more children are living.
nearly every month we hear of police raids on planned terror attacks. terrorism is real and now its time to oust that flute in iran



What a load of western spin, twaddle.

More children survive in Iraq now, but that sample is ONLY taken from those who survive allied bombs. I honestly do not remember Saddam, our ALLY and hero in the struggle against the Ayatollah, BOMBING children in Iraq. Do you remember Saddam bombing thousands and thousands of children in Iraq?

As for "ousting that flute" in Iran, Saddam our ally and hero alteady helped us do that as we got rid off the Ayatollah and put this lad in his place.

Just as "we" put criminals in place in many countries as we try to dominate the world.

"We" might have to invade Ireland again soon.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/09/2010 19:22:59    765206

the sooner the better patrique

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/09/2010 19:27:43    765208

To say the peace process in the north began in 1975 is patently untrue Patrique.There may have been "talks" but thats the about the measure of it at that time.Much more conflict took place in the years since 1975,and it is widely accepted that it was after the Hunger Strikes of 1981 with the election of Bobby Sands in Fermanagh South Tyrone that republicans started to see any benefit in politics or negotiating with the British.Just ask Danny Morrison.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 04/09/2010 20:08:03    765237

Norn Iorn is full of war criminals Drug Lords , and those like MI6 who want to continue the phoney war, Peace at what price the British government knew they had to sue for peace because there troops were being stretched to its limit, Never had much time for Blair but you no he was the best of a bad bunch and boy do we have a bad bunch in office now.

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 04/09/2010 20:13:24    765244

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
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To say the peace process in the north began in 1975 is patently untrue Patrique.There may have been "talks" but thats the about the measure of it at that time.Much more conflict took place in the years since 1975,and it is widely accepted that it was after the Hunger Strikes of 1981 with the election of Bobby Sands in Fermanagh South Tyrone that republicans started to see any benefit in politics or negotiating with the British.Just ask Danny Morrison.



I sat beside Danny at school, and his word or memory is fading.

It took from 1975 to prevent a bigger split. "Long war, long peace" was the policy.

It was indeed the hunger strike that gave them the "fortuitous" break through in politics. But the Brits establishing Sinn Fein "advice" centres all over the North as part of the 1975 peace, well those advice centres gave them the initial base to break the power of the church and Republican clubs which is where people sought advice before then.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/09/2010 21:27:12    765310

TheMaster
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People seem to forget, if they hadnt gone into iraq saddam hussain would still be running the show, hardly a suitable alternative. What about the scores of people he has killed or lives he has ruined? Its easy to point the finger now but after 9/11 and the london bombings people cant honestly say they werent the slightest bit worried. Do people honestly think that those awful acts should be let go without a reaction?



I wonder why they bombed London rather than Geneva?

Oh, the Swiss were not invading their countries at the time.

That explains it.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/09/2010 21:29:04    765312

Maybe in Belfast Patrique but not in the west did people go to republican clubs for advice.The influence of the church has wained but that has little to do with the rise of Sinn Fein.As for the Brits establishing the advice centres,everything is not a conspiracy controlled by the british.The IRA must have been thanking them in a very strange way in the years following 1975 if thats the case.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/09/2010 09:52:43    765356

You are a complete wind up merchant Patrique.Thats the only conclusion I can come to by bearing witness to the continual drivel you put up on this forum.You are on the "Missionaries" thread saying Iran never did anything to me or Ireland,then you are on this thread thanking Saddam Hussein for getting rid of the Ayatollah,no problem there for you with the 8,000,000 plus lives lost getting that job done,many of which were Iranian lives.Not to worry though as you have obviously since jumped ship to the Iraqi side and are annoyed at the war going on there now,and your angry that "our" friend Saddam met such an ungracious and thankless end.You are so upset about it that you are prepared to lie that his regime ever killed children.Saddams right hand man,WORLD renowned Ali Hassan al-majid,aka "Chemical Ali",killed almost 200,000 Iraqi Kurds in the Al-Anfal campaign by 1988 and destroyed thousands of villages.Those that refused to move in fixed deportations were killed and no quarter given.Many of the victims were children and were killed with chemical weapons such as sarin and mustard gas.I can still see images of the children lying lifeless in the streets from the tv footage of the time.But its ok because it wasn't the work of Irish republicans so there must be some legitimacy in it,right Patrique? I'm sure Plunkett will help you out as always.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 09/09/2010 09:50:35    769514

No matter what the topic is, Patrique is not interested in the facts or what's right. He is interested in disagreeing with people and luring them into what he thinks are traps which make them look like fools and makes him feel all smug about himself. If you've been reading his posts for years like I have, they all become tiresome, nasty, repetive and ultimately pathetic.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 09/09/2010 10:21:40    769555

Very strong there Breff !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 09/09/2010 10:25:39    769561

Cavan_Slasher
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769561 Very strong there Breff !!

Appropriately strong!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 09/09/2010 10:34:07    769572

"I wonder why they bombed London and not Geneva"
Gerry Kelly would have hoped your sympathies would lay closer to home Patrique.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 09/09/2010 10:44:44    769586