Pomeroy Plunkett you're excellent at looking back in history in your armchair and calling others cowards for not fighting a war. Very easy to do so when you dont have to do any fighting yourself.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 02/09/2010 11:19:20    763169

What fighting have you had to do exactly Goodfella? There's no doubt it would be a frightening situation but to let foreigners fight and die for your freedom isn't something I would be able to do, I'd have too much pride in myself and my freedom

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 02/09/2010 11:25:58    763174

pomeroyplunkett.
george bush once said , you are either with us or against us .
well were u against bush for the freedom and liberty for all ? ... shannon airport would be a start .
just a observation plunkett no malice intended .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 11:31:07    763185

PomeroyPlunkett
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763174
What fighting have you had to do exactly Goodfella? There's no doubt it would be a frightening situation but to let foreigners fight and die for your freedom isn't something I would be able to do, I'd have too much pride in myself and my freedom

Judging by your comments, you seem to think that Britain was very concerned about Irish freedom and democracy. The truth is Britain didnt fight the Nazis for Ireland, any war Britain ever fought was for themselves and their own selfish interests.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 02/09/2010 12:10:27    763241

ta32
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763185 pomeroyplunkett.
george bush once said , you are either with us or against us .

That quote appears in one of the gospels.Used out of context it is a trap to basically stop people thinking for themselves and follow the herd against their better judgement. Mussolini said it in WW2 ......sums it up for me

jarhead (Westmeath) - Posts: 285 - 02/09/2010 12:19:12    763254

jarhead.
the point i was making was muslim extremist and nazi germany are both from the same principles , world domination .
now people come on here and try and split the two , or make excuses for mordern day conflicts , the fact of the matter is there is no difference in bin laden and hitler they are both evil , who both wanted the same things , world power and dictatarship . and their followers are spreading their gospels of evil .


whats the difference in the two , nothing , but some people think one has the right to suppress?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 12:26:09    763262

PomeroyPlunkett
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763174 What fighting have you had to do exactly Goodfella? There's no doubt it would be a frightening situation but to let foreigners fight and die for your freedom isn't something I would be able to do, I'd have too much pride in myself and my freedom

Yeah Pomeroy. I'd love it. Some English officer puts the phone down after receiving orders from Whitehall, "Let Operation human shield commence", before jumping into the trenches and yelling at the top of his voice, "cmon Paddy, over the top and dont let the small matter of a few 50caliber machine guns put you off, we'll be right behind you once you've cleared a path through the minefield, old boy".

I tell ya what I'd be right behind you, just dont look back!!!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 02/09/2010 12:28:51    763270

corrxxx.
or worse the M.G.42. ;(

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 12:30:59    763273

You have won me round lads to be fair. Typical Brits, fighting the Nazi's for their own personal needs. Sure if Hitler had won WW2 he would have reunited Ireland and pumped billions into our economy, he would have loved our Catholic country

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 02/09/2010 12:37:54    763277

POMEROYPLUNKETT
i am really trying to grasp what you are saying , but i can not , ireland crictially was in no positition to fight a world war , after the torture and mayhem that this country endured from england for centuries do you really expect ireland to have turned around to england and say , oh well let by gones be by gones , and do not worry about the thousands of our men you murdered through oppression and tyranny , we will just give u thousands more to join your ranks and fight under the very flag that tortured this nation for generations , u must be joking plunkett , and open up our ports , is this the same ports that the guns came sailing in to pound our city , and is this the same ports that the coffin ships left from in search of a better life while dying in their thousands , because of englands actions or lack of .

our nation and its leaders made the right choices .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 12:50:34    763296

What fighting have you had to do exactly Goodfella? There's no doubt it would be a frightening situation but to let foreigners fight and die for your freedom isn't something I would be able to do, I'd have too much pride in myself and my freedom

PomeroyPlunkett have I claimed to have done any fighting in my life? Fortunately just like you I have not had to do any. However unlike you I have not had the audacity to retrospectively call others cowards based on my own narrow interpretation of history!

Perhaps you should consider that the people who chose not to fight with the British did so on a point of principle, not because they were afraid. Are you able to grasp this concept?

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 02/09/2010 13:13:00    763332

ta32
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i am really trying to grasp what you are saying , but i can not , ireland crictially was in no positition to fight a world war , after the torture and mayhem that this country endured from england for centuries do you really expect ireland to have turned around to england and say , oh well let by gones be by gones , and do not worry about the thousands of our men you murdered through oppression and tyranny , we will just give u thousands more to join your ranks and fight under the very flag that tortured this nation for generations , u must be joking plunkett , and open up our ports , is this the same ports that the guns came sailing in to pound our city , and is this the same ports that the coffin ships left from in search of a better life while dying in their thousands , because of englands actions or lack of .

Here, here, excellent stuff.

our nation and its leaders made the right choices .

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 02/09/2010 13:15:17    763335

Ta32 my point is by fighting we wouldn't have been doing the British a favour, we would have been fighting for ourselves and Europe. It was WW2, not the Falklands War where Britain was involved in a relatively petty squabble. So many countries joined forces to fight the tyranny of the Nazi regime and Ireland simply decided not to

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 02/09/2010 13:15:32    763336

the GAA now control the GPAs decision, hardly a surprise that the GAA want supporters off the pitch and now the GPA are dancing to the GAAs tune...

nobody respects this organisation of sports agents who hide behind the mask of player welfare

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 02/09/2010 13:29:36    763352

plunkett.
we have been fighting for ourselfs and our idenity for centuries , englands oppression of ireland could be seen in the same wave as nazi germanys opression of europe but no one came to irelands aid during our darkest hours , were was the big nations who believed strongly in freedom and liberty for all , were ireland was concerned , we fought alone , germany and england especially could not care less about ireland .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 02/09/2010 14:01:12    763401

"So many countries joined forces to fight the tyranny of the Nazi regime and Ireland simply decided not to "

How many countries (particularly small European countries with no standing army or military equipment to speak of) joined the war of their own volition?

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 02/09/2010 14:08:25    763413

I wonder what Sean Eadbard Mac Reamoinn would say in this "debate". He spoke very much in the vein of Pomeroy plunket. I wonder Would he still speak the same had he lived to see the reward Ireland was given for aiding Britain in the war for the "Freedom of Small nations". Me thinks the Irish Government of the Day possibly was considering this then most recent example of britains magnanimity towards her near and small neighbour.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 02/09/2010 14:21:57    763428

Anyway I just got around to reading that article that raised this debate. I have two thoughts on its veracity. It was a secret file of MI5 a well known organisation who indeed has great credibility in Ireland and they being the great pursuer of truth that they are based their report on information gained from a Corporal in the german Abwehr who themselves no doubt would not be guilty of misinformation. Hmmmmmmm Indeed it is all very worrying.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 02/09/2010 14:31:36    763442

Pomeroy,

If Hitler had won he would have to pump money into our economy as the Brits took it all !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/09/2010 14:36:16    763447

Two simple questions really

1. Where the Allies not fighting for what was just and right against a regime that had killed countless millions and if victorious would kill God only knows how many more?

2. If so should Ireland not have helped in this fight?

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 02/09/2010 15:55:31    763552