cavan slasher show me the evidence

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2010 14:16:43    758574

Any rivalry or dislike should have been put aside for the greater good. This wasn't just fighting with Britain, this was fighting with all the Allied countries for what was just and right against one of the most serious threats freedom and democracy has ever faced. For Ireland to stand neutral will go down in our nation's history as one of it's most shameful and cowardly chapters

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/08/2010 14:18:47    758576

Hipster,

Evidence of what ? Many Irishmen did go and fight in the war as British soldiers, its a well known fact. That many more did not go is what Pomeroy is complaining about. I do not blame them for not going to join the British army as Irishmen in general had no time for the British because of our history with them. I have heard stories about Irish people cheering German successes during the war. We were neutral and rightly so, i believe Dev made the right decision for a change and as i have asked previously is there any evidence that the Germans would have treated us any worse than the British did throughout our history ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/08/2010 15:56:30    758649

as i have asked previously is there any evidence that the Germans would have treated us any worse than the British did throughout our history ?

aside from the millions of dead bodies of other 'sub-human' races that the Nazi slaughtered across Europe, the concentration camps, the slave labour camps...etc

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 28/08/2010 16:15:26    758662

Fact is that Ireland remained NEUTRAL during the war, and many Irishmen's lives were probably saved.

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 28/08/2010 16:50:09    758672

bad.monkey The British was the first nation to introduce Concentration Camps during the Boer War and persecute Millions of there subjects during the pursuit of Global Empire one Evil replaced another and the New So Called world police the USA are threatening world peace again.

LesBleus (UK) - Posts: 102 - 28/08/2010 16:56:02    758676

pomery is the type of person that the british media in the north love

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 28/08/2010 16:58:58    758677

Pomery what concern is it to you what the Irish army were doing?

As a british citizen you should worry about your own army and leave the Irish lads alone.

Yours In Sport,
Joseff

joseff (Louth) - Posts: 964 - 28/08/2010 17:05:24    758682

countries for what was just and right against one of the most serious threats freedom and democracy has ever faced

is this guy for real? JUST and RIGHT while refering to the british empire and their army. were britain not colonising countrys at the same time pomery? is that JUST and RIGHT. go and ask some of your ancestors about FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY in the north after the nazi's were defeated

go down to some of the south african countrys who were colonised and see how they are gettin on. how many die every single day in impoverished countrys? nearly all of which can be traced back to britain.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 28/08/2010 17:10:31    758685

cavan slasher you said that the irish soldiers did not receive any recognition from the british i would like to see this evidence

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2010 17:16:18    758690

Bad Monkey,

You cannot say that as we were neutral and known by the Germans to have no love for the Brits !! For all you know they might have treated us very well !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/08/2010 17:23:01    758694

32 do you not think the Allied forces during WW2 were doing the just and right thing in fighting Nazi Germany? I know when it comes to most issues you're severely lacking any basic knowledge but surely even you realise what the Nazi's were doing was evil? Please tell me you're joking? The anti-Britishness of some people is so great that they can't even admit the Allied Forces were doing good during WW2, it would be funny if it wasn't so depressing

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/08/2010 17:57:50    758706

Hipster,

Have you not read about what they did to so called cowards and deserters who it later transpired were shell shocked. Can't find the link but it was on the news last year or the year before. Many of them were executed but were pardoned only lately and found to be suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome (i think). It said that Irishmen made up the greater numbers of them, they were probably the bravest and were at the front !! I had an uncle who was in W.W.2 and lived in Birmingham after the war and he said that the Irish were never recognised to the same extent as the home grown soldiers, but he had several medals. He said he would not have gone through it if he had known what it was going to be like !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/08/2010 18:28:41    758714

I know when it comes to most issues you're severely lacking any basic knowledge but surely even you realise what the Nazi's were doing was evil

your great at avoiding any questions directed at you. was the situation in the north after ww2 freedom and democracy?

was it just and right what the british army were doing all over the world, even during ww2? was it not evil too?

i have no problem with irish people who fought in ww2, but dont ever brand the country cowardly because it refused to fight with the country responsible for the most innocent civilian deaths ever, an empire who's terrorism is still felt all over the world today and has long outlasted any nazi regime

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 28/08/2010 18:54:11    758731

slasher i know the british did this but this was common practice in all armies back then , as for the british army well they have always recognized those who died in their ranks just go to europe and the far east and you will see their graves well maintained by the british and these dead soldiers are from all over the globe , during the second world war a lot of irish people served in the british american canadian and australian armies and all with distenction , all these soldiers were recognised by these armies and us here on hogan stand should not tarnish or slag them off

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2010 19:00:29    758733

I had thought this thread had run its course some weeks ago, however once again the tired worn out arguments of how Ireland should have sent more of her sons to foreign slaughter to protect British interests has resurfaced. The claims are now bordering on the hysterical not to mention unscholarly, this black and white approach to history is rather ridiculous at this stage. The US took no part in the war until they were attacked directly and Nazi Germany declared war on them. It had nothing to do with a just war, it was a necessity for them. Likewise with Russia, Germany declared war on them and invaded her lands, they fought out of necessity, not out of solidarity for oppressed peoples. Britain declared war in an attempt to stop German hegemony in Europe which they viewed as a threat to her empire. Empire - there is a nice euphemism for theft, genocide, rape and torture. The war crimes of Nazi Germany (they did not have a monopoly on these crimes) did not become clear till after WWII, so can't with historical accuracy be used to condemn a decision taken in 1939 if not well before when Europe slid towards war. In the context of 1939 Germany was an oppressive state, however so was Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Britain and her 'Empire', Japan and her 'Empire', Stalin's Russia and about half a dozen other dictatorships peppered across Eastern Europe. I could mention the unique situation Ireland was in, after Civil war, partition, economic hardship and 750 years of colonial baggage but that would probably be ignored as well in a pathetic attempt to rewrite history.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 28/08/2010 19:04:25    758737

artisan the usa took a huge part they supplied the british army with weapons , trucks , planes , tanks , war ships and american citizens volunteered for the british army

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 28/08/2010 19:12:33    758741

artisan.
probaly one of the best posts i have seen here , sums it up really a lot of people could not have cared less what was happening in the aftermath of the civil war this country suffered and all the baggage of tryanny from across the water that had been enforced on our lands , yet we are expected to kneel and send thousands more to their deaths at the request of a nation who turned this country upside down .. short memories is a understatement were these issues are concerned .
excellent response artisan .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 28/08/2010 19:16:57    758746

'Ireland should have sent more of her sons to foreign slaughter to protect British interests has resurfaced'

British interests, are you actually being serious? That was the most xenophobic, blinkered post I have ever read. It was in the interests of Europe as a whole that the Allies fought. If Germany had won WW2 would they have decided to leave Ireland alone, the sad thing is you actually think they would. The Allies were fighting for the freedom of their individual own country and for Europe. Ireland to its great shame was too cowardly to get involved, De Valera actually sent his condolences upon the death of Hitler, a man who was responsible for slaughter of God knows how many million innocent people

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/08/2010 19:38:22    758762

Pomeroy,

There were many innocent Irishmen killed over many centuries and it wasn't the Germans who were responsible !! You should know that !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/08/2010 19:45:28    758764