Kilkenny should take a look at the likes of waterford and wexford to see supposedly weaker football counties can do well in football if a bit of attention was showed to it. Might be wrong in saying it but think the Championship in Kilkenny is only equivalent to junior standard and thats mainly why they enter the All Ireland Junior Championship and not Senior and why there may be a vast difference when playing in the league. as for the minors I was at that game it was terrible for the young lads playing and Meath could have won by alot more. Maybe if there was some sort of system for the weaker counties underage it might help to develop young players it might stop the beatings by 20/30/40 points

jokerofthelane (Meath) - Posts: 48 - 24/08/2010 17:54:01    755275

Puddersthecat
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 1297

755242 Kilkenny plays other sport....the Kilkenny City Harriers are one of teh most successful athletic clubs. Kilkenny plays rugby. We even gave them our very own Brian Dowling. Kilkenny plays handball, more all irelands than most. Kilkenny play soccer, Evergreen, EMFA, Kilkenny City. Kilkenny is home to some of the finest jockeys and horse trainers in the world. I could go on.

So go shove your gaelic football up your langer arse.

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haha! well said!

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 24/08/2010 18:06:09    755298

If any County has a reason to pull out of the Senior C'ship it's Sligo, 126 yrs and NEVER appeared in an All Ireland final.
3 Connacht C'ship's, what a waste of time.
Withdraw from GAA because we're not WINNING and get behind Sligo Rover's??????????


(up sligo)

allSOran (Sligo) - Posts: 690 - 24/08/2010 18:47:08    755365

Presume you mean Ian Dowling (ex O' Loughlin Gaels and now Munster) Pudders

MayofaninKK (Mayo) - Posts: 117 - 24/08/2010 18:56:19    755375

thou shall not critisize kk or give your opinion on matters related or pudders the anti cork messiah who said in previous posts than best keeper this year donal og was like and underage player will condesend upon ya because he knows best then if you back up your point hes quick to start childish name calling all hail the pudders who i have no doubt contributed so much to make this kk team so brilliant . pudders a little word of wisdom the kk team have class and modesty try showing some

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 24/08/2010 19:55:47    755437

pudders forget this stupid forum and tell them langers were
on a drive for five and it wont stop there

4bythenore (Kilkenny) - Posts: 360 - 24/08/2010 20:10:42    755454

As a neighbour of Kilkenny, I know that Kilkenny DOES its best to promote football. with development squads and club competition. The real situation is that hurling is THE game in Kilkenny and this will not change and the powers that be in Kilkenny has and continues to do its fair share for football.

Would that other counties place the same enthusiasm and hard work into hurling, perhaps Kilkenny might be challenged a little more.

By the way, is Kildare doing its fair share for hurling?

To me, I think its great that Kilkenny is great at the hurling and it gives other counties something to admire and also to aim for. This arguement about Kilkenny not really being a GAA county because of its lack of promotion of football is a bit tiresome and smacks of that old Irish immature feeling of ...begrudgery.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1903 - 24/08/2010 20:33:03    755473

carlowman you hit the proverbial nail on the not so proverbial begrudger's head!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 24/08/2010 20:46:14    755485

The Kilkenny situation is not unique there are planty of counties out there fielding token hurling teams at the moment so i feel its unfair to single out Kilkenny for their lack of football. They are probably just victims of their own success im sure their was none of this talk in the mid 90's when they had a leanish spell.
Lets face it a county could concentrate on nothing but hurling for 50 years and not find another Shefflin or Walsh, Kilkenny have a real ''golden generation'' at the moment. It will eventually come to an end and someone else will come to the fore ( hopefully Tipp!) but for now i reckon they should be admired for what they have achieved on the hurling fied and not knocked for their lack football...

Dave.ie (Tipperary) - Posts: 20 - 24/08/2010 21:27:38    755527

I think we will be time enough lecturing Kilkenny about not doing enough to promote football when when all the footballing counties are doing enough to promote hurling.

kickpass (Down) - Posts: 208 - 24/08/2010 21:32:37    755534

This is a ridiculous argument.

The only difference between Kilkenny and most football only counties is that they are more honest about it. Most counties play lip service to hurling but Kilkenny are more honest and refuse to pay lip service to football.

If all the football only counties put equal interest and work into hurling as they do football then the anti-Kilkenny brigade would have a point, however as it stands they don't so there is no point to this thread.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 24/08/2010 21:50:00    755553

booboo
"said in previous posts than best keeper this year donal og was like and underage player"

Please show me where I said that? I have said he was in line for an all star on here and that he was the keeper of the year. Back up your arguement booboo. Where have I gone running? I'll defend KK in the face of the anti-KK Cork brigade.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 25/08/2010 09:27:03    755607

I understand Puderthecat frustration.

All because his county are a distant first in one code and a distant 34th in the other, people's solutions centre on banning them from the one they're good at until they get better in the one they're not so good at.

Nobody would be criticising Kilkenny's approach to Gaelic football if they hadn't won all they've won this past decade. Simple as that. It's begrudgery.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6627 - 25/08/2010 09:30:45    755610

4bythenore
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 20

755454 pudders forget this stupid forum and tell them langers were
on a drive for five and it wont stop there

>>>>>
Read the thread again from start to finish, you will find that the thread was started by a Kildare man and of the four pages of post only 4 posters are from Cork, Two of those dont agree with the thread or the sentiments of the thread , the most knockers of the KK system are from counties that dont play hurling at all

yummymummy (Cork) - Posts: 21 - 25/08/2010 09:57:17    755625

Firstly, I must agree with Slayer. Some attacks on KK are almost certainly motivated, to some extent at least, by begrudgery.

However, there are also some genuine concerns. Hurling is my first love so I want the game to thrive. At the moment, the best team in the history of the game is going for 5 in a row. Whether or not they succeed (and they almost certainly will) the game is the winner this year. Either way, the final will have huge viewership figures, and the KK team will probably come out of their shell a little bit and we'll see them in the media much more once the pressure has been lifted. As a hurling lover, I couldn't wish for better. More exposure to, and promotion of, hurling brilliance as exemplified by KK, can only be a good thing.

But, I think KK will win 7-8 of the next ten AI's. That level of dominance can't be good for the game in any county, including KK itself. So, it's up to other counties to come up to KK's standard right? But how are dual counties erver supposed to acheive that standard? Take a 16 year old hurler in KK. Now look at his playing time with club and school, at all the various ages. He probably plays lots of hurling and has only barely enough time for any development squad he's selected onto.

Now take the same guy and re-locate him to Cork. You can double his club and school playing-loads staright away. The guy simply wouldn't have the time to participate in any development squad in any meaningful way. And if he's good at both codes - there's no way in hell he can participate in two development squads.

It's often lazily said that 'it's up to other counties to match KK.' Now, can anybody tell me how dual counties like Cork, Tipp, Galway, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Dublin, Wexford, Antrim, etc, are supposed to do that?

I'm not suggesting that it's up to KK to do anything about this. They have every right to concentrate on whatever sport they wish. I'm just pointing out a problem to which there is no easy solution. Maybe, in time, KK's success will lead to boredom within the county. Kids will think hurling is boring and passe. They may look to football as the new cool thing to do. Until they do, or until rule changes are made in dual counties (something which I wouldn't really favour) KK will dominate hurling.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 25/08/2010 11:25:49    755729

eviemonkey I too have no intention of rehashing the hurlers strike here,just a few points,you talk about KKs flagrant disrespect for the lesser code and how you admire the endeavours of other counties in promoting both codes,now if KK werent winning AIs in hurling I doubt you would be on here talking about our flagrant disrespect for the lesser code,I wonder what the strong football counties or indeed your Cork footballers think of themselves playing a lesser code,your post to me smacks of jealousy and begrudgery,but I dont mind,you see there are more important things in life than worrying about what you think of KKs promotion of gaelic games,like I will be collecting my grandaughter and grandson who are both 8,and both of them have been to the majority of KK matches this year and on their way out of Croke Park after the semi/final wanted to know when we would be going to training in KK,well tonight is our 3rd night going to KK,Langtons for food and then on to see their heroes practising the greatest field game in the World and practised by one of the greatest teams of alll time

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 543 - 25/08/2010 14:56:30    756023

Mooncat, I hope you enjoy training with your grandchildren later on and for the next couple of weeks. It is a special time of the year when we are lucky enough to be able to attend training sessions in the run-up to an All-Ireland Final.

A more general point and not specific to you but one that is immediately apparent over the last couple of pages in this thread is that too many people on here are fixated on county allegiances in their replies rather than debating the issues themselves. If someone from County A says anything remotely dissenting about County B then too often the focus will shift on the location of the original poster and criticising his/her motivations for offering that opinion. This forum would provide for a far healthier and vibrant debate if they were no county tags attached to the details of posters and in all likelihood this thread would have taking a radically different direction than it has as well.

Anyway we will leave it at that. Good luck in the final in a couple of weeks. Should be a wonderful occasion and hopefully a great game as well.

eviemonkey (Cork) - Posts: 308 - 25/08/2010 16:22:30    756157

Still waiting booboo or have you done a runner?

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 25/08/2010 16:42:00    756187

I think this post is ridiculous. In counties like Galway, Cork, Offaly, Wexford, Limerick, Clare, Tipp etc. there has always been sufficiently many clubs and individuals with a commitment to each code to keep both hurling and football relatively strong. The interest in each sport has always been there - it has not been artificially imposed by county boards. If hardly anyone in Kilkenny gives a damn about football, why should the county board try to force them to care? There are a number of footballing counties that are absolutely pathetic at hurling - why are they not subject to the same criticism as Kilkenny? The criticism smacks of begrudgery and jealousy. As someone else pointed out, if Kilkenny were not winning so many hurling all-Irelands, nobody would be too bothered about their lack of interest in football.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1052 - 25/08/2010 17:10:54    756246

I think the heading of this post saddens me! In society winners are generally unpopular so this kind of stuff is to be expected!

Why haven't the New Zealand rugby team won all the world cups over the last 20 years as they really only focus on rugby (up until the last few years until soccer was given the light of day)

I think allot of credit has to go to Brian Cody and his management skills. You can talk all you want about a constant stream of talent which definitely helps but then why didn't Limerick win at least one Munster title after their 3 under 21 titles if that was the case. Why did Laois only win one Leinster title with all their underage success?

Cody seems to just get things right all the time. When you look at managers in England with a bottomless purse do they have the same success? Why didn't Man City win the premiership last year or at least qualify for Europe, why did United win 3 in a row when Chelsea could basically buy anyone? Why do these teams keep changing the man in charge?

Sit back an enjoy this for what it is. One of the greatest managers ever doing his thing. Some of the greatest players we are ever likely to see. They wont be around for ever, when Cody steps aside then you'll see how good he really was.

Dominance in a sport happens, but never lasts. Hurling isn't unique in that way!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1479 - 25/08/2010 17:21:43    756273