Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 12440

749527 Jhonny , o gall, d horse if you cant debate a proper argument go away and paddy you blaming the irish for alot of things , so what about your country england do they not get slagged for alot to ?

Fair play dell, just when a thread is going nowhere, a bit pure prose lifts it to another level. And to think Ta reckons you're not clued in

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/08/2010 16:22:20    749589

18/08/2010 16:19:44
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5812

No. Very poor effort. Are you Ta??

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You have me down as TA and Ogall has me down as Ruanua
It should be me that gives out about the insults around here

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 18/08/2010 16:48:49    749622

Seanie_boy - The "unquestioning mindset" you refer to was a charge aimed at Catholics by the right wingers in the States to prevent the election of Jack Kennedy. The Pope will rule us!! He is a Catholic and believes the Pope is infallible e.t.c.
Speaking of Jack Kennedy....

"Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others."
RIP JFK - if only we had men of your ilk today.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 18/08/2010 17:56:10    749729

I must say what a bunch of spineless little wimps hiding behind the idea of religious freedom and liberty for all.I would say that the families of those murdered by Islamic terrorists have these rights also,and you can throw in the "right to live free from sectarian harassment", they shouldn't have to look up and see a 15 story Islamic centre towering above the graves of their loved ones,this is a huge grave incase some of you didnt know.Then you continue the debate by suggesting ludicrous solutions to this problem.The idea that Americans and ,specifically New Yorkers are greatly and genuinely upset by this proposal is to be brushed aside by you lot in the name of progress and religious tolerance,how big of you sitting there in Mayo,Cavan,Cork and other places.One of you suggested something about an Irish Republiccan Centre,or something to that effect,on the spot of the Warirngton bomb and if that would be ok.In my opinion it would not be ok.In the same way I oppose Orange marches on the Garvaghy Road,or Republican marches on Sandy Row.Now stop looking at everything in life with your Ultra,stand up for nothing,pc eyes.Go get your spines,your crawling like snakes without them.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 18:09:10    749750

Artisan,the unquestioning mindset of Catholics to follow the Pope was a lame argument then, and well before.It was put to rest by the thousands of Irishmen who fought and died for the US in the Revolutionary War and other conflicts before the JFK era.It was a pathetic attempt by fundamentalists of a religious kind not to have a Catholic President as the idea so irked their W.A.S.P sensibilities.Much like the present racially inspired opposition to Obama,cloaked in anti-socialist rhetoric.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 18:20:26    749766

Posts: 5812

No. Very poor effort. Are you Ta??

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You have me down as TA and Ogall has me down as Ruanua
It should be me that gives out about the insults around here

I haven't you down as anyone , it's just you replied to a comment directed at him. However i regret any insult or blight upon your impeccable character that i may have inflicted.

Deep down i think we are all the same person

Fursa Sa'eeda

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/08/2010 18:21:51    749768

18/08/2010 18:21:51
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5818

7I haven't you down as anyone , it's just you replied to a comment directed at him. However i regret any insult or blight upon your impeccable character that i may have inflicted.
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I did respond to a post directed at him, however I think we are getting our ironies crossed
Your retraction is accepted

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 18/08/2010 19:19:44    749841

Taking pot shots at christianity in general dhorse,and Catholicism in particular is a poor argument.For starters it is without doubt that Jesus was a peace loving and kind man who never advocated violence.Mohammed on the other hand advocated and participated in violent acts in defense of his doctrine.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 19:44:32    749869

Seems you can't reference historical FACTS on here no longer either.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 19:54:40    749884

seanie the catholic church only uses jesus s name they dont practice what he preached , dhorse is right we have also had our religious wars and the christian churchs are still spending millions to try and convert all other faiths

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 18/08/2010 20:17:42    749904

Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 453

749841 18/08/2010 18:21:51
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5818

7I haven't you down as anyone , it's just you replied to a comment directed at him. However i regret any insult or blight upon your impeccable character that i may have inflicted.
________________________
I did respond to a post directed at him, however I think we are getting our ironies crossed
Your retraction is accepted

I didn't retract anything. I apologised if you were offended. Ironies like bloodhounds need to be crossed regularly.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/08/2010 20:21:54    749912

seanie this 'collective guilt' you advocate is a sickening concept. Blaming 'muslims' generally for the 9/11 attacks is ridiculous.

it was this idea of collective guilt that led to the british army killing many innocent people in northern ireland, they equated catholic as being IRA just as you equate muslim as being al-queda.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 18/08/2010 20:30:28    749929

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 484

749869 Taking pot shots at christianity in general dhorse,and Catholicism in particular is a poor argument.For starters it is without doubt that Jesus was a peace loving and kind man who never advocated violence

I have equal amount of disdain for all organised religions, a little bit more for Catholisism maybe, as i have first hand experience of it. They are only vehicles used to threaten and subvert peoples ability to think for themselves. Very little difference Between islam and christianity, damnation in after life, fasting, an obsession with virgins, signing up children before the can walk, misogyny big temples etc etc..... and all with men in frocks in control.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/08/2010 20:36:47    749940

Mes Amis says,"Should they use the Saudis rules on women also". Well Mes Amis it is not a Saudi inspired doctrine,it is an Islamic inspired doctrine.Islamic polity trumps all other considerations in a muslim majority country.There are agitators in these countries who are pressing for reforms,as witnessed in Iran after the last presidential elections,and more power to them.I hope they win out in the end.
Juan Veron tells us about the heartbreaking story of the young British born muslim who opines,"YOUR democratically elected governments continually perpetuate atrocities against MY PEOPLE all over the world".Well therein we can see the problem with HIM and his pathetic and thankless ilk.This guy,and countless others in western societies all over Europe and the US,are typically born of immigrants to these countries who came there to make a better life for themselves.They enjoy civil and religious liberties in these countries not afforded people in the Muslim controlled countries there forebears came from.They have the right to vote and take part in a democratic political process.Instead they would rather sit around in a squat somewhere plotting against this very system because some crazy religious fanatic tells them its their duty as a muslim.They see themselves primarily as part of a world wide brotherhood of muslims.They have no loyalty to the countries in which they were born.Many of them refuse to assimilate in these countries as it would be frolicking with the infidels.The 7th century mindset is completely to the fore now and the only glory they can attain in life is to be found in the martyrdom offered in Jihad against their birth nations.Traitors the lot of them,again they are making it more difficult for the moderates in their community who want to embrace the ethos espoused by these western nations.Appeasement should not be made to these people,and although it may not be the intent of those involved in the New York Islamic center,appeasement by association would be achieved by going ahead with the project on that site.Again they have the right in the US to do just that,as said before the onus is on the muslim community involved not to be triumphalists by proxy,to stand with THEIR American countrymen by showing sympathy toward them over their lost loved ones,and being sensitive to their feelings on this very emotive issue.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 20:37:45    749942

hipster
County: Dublin
Posts: 1605

749904 seanie the catholic church only uses jesus s name they dont practice what he preached , dhorse is right

Less of agreeing with me stuff. You risk Excommunication, Fatwa or worse still defenestration

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/08/2010 20:40:54    749947

Oh really bad.monkey just where did I blame muslims generally? I do however blame a group of Muslims specifically because,and please tell me I am not wrong about this or I will be so embarrassed,I thought that the guys that did it were muslims and did it in the name of Islam.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 20:43:50    749950

your confusing me with them big words dhorse

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 18/08/2010 20:48:42    749959

I agree with Bad Monkey !
Also , there's an important lesson in tolerence here.

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 18/08/2010 20:53:11    749970

seanie about 100 people probably planned and executed 9/11 so why should a religion of over 1 billion be punished , now i have no time for religion its all paul daniels stuff they would have us believe hocus pocus

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 18/08/2010 20:54:42    749973

Yeah you're confusing me also with your nonsensical agenda of blind appeasement.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/08/2010 20:56:33    749976