ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2347

748600
ogall.
traits or quotes because u well known for traits of the unsavoury kind , now move along if u have nothing else to add to this discussion.

Take your own advice perhaps!

JuanVeron (Westmeath) - Posts: 1866 - 17/08/2010 18:45:33    748624

jonsmith.cavan.
1 the catholic church .
2 playground s in ireland .

or are we talking about the real issues here , or do want to give a straight answer is it right to build this mosque around the vicinity of ground zero.

a yes or no will do for starters just to get the ball rolling

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 18:46:47    748632

Having christian establishments in the USA is surely an Affront to Native Americans who were dispossedand slaughtered in the name of christianity by the French Spanish and of course our friends the British.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/08/2010 18:52:50    748644

wereangelsplay.
maybe u should have a looksie as u put at the list of people that were killed or murdered that day , or visit the families of the victims of all of this and put across your p.c. proposal on how everthing will be rosy for them , and then when u finished with that go down to ground zero and see what it means to the people of new york and wider america and how they would look upon u with your ill thought sentiments or lack of feelings for everyone affected that day .

Ok, in case it wasn't clear enough - I can't even begin to imagine what the 9/11 families go through every day and (LIKE I ALREADY SAID) I'd probably be as furious about this proposal if I was a local who'd lost a loved one at Ground Zero.

Now, for once in your life if you could actually read what was typed, and seeing as you've appointed yourself spokesman you can answer a direct question: how much time needs to pass before a mosque is ok? How close should it be?

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 17/08/2010 18:52:54    748645

It would appear, that even in the face of conclusive, undeniable, evidence to support the notion that Americans do not want this building, people on this forum would still go against the wishes of the majority of Americans and continue with this project. Theres a name for that sort of carry on. Its called dictatorship.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 17/08/2010 18:54:28    748648

juanveron.
u simply cannot get involved in a sensible discussion , u know why because u are afraid to be labelled or giving a genuine reply to this debate , u would rather attack someone because of their feelings and genuine feelings at that now will u answer this do u believe that the proposal of a mosque being built around the location of 911 is right , it is morally wrong and those who support this are insulting the memory of all the people that have died , and also the after effects that this murderes act has left people injured and emotalionally scared for life , and how are they going to be reminded every time they walkdown on along ground zero .
give me a break veron , and stop pandering just give a answer as to why u think this should be allowed , u have not so far because u have not got a resonable reply instead u insult people .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 18:55:17    748649

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5783

Why are you and others trying to re-write history? First some "intellectual" claimed the Nazis waged a holy war in the name of Christianity, and now you claim the native Americans were dis-possessed of their lands by Christian crusaders. They were driven west by settlers intent on stealing their land, not imposing their religion on them.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 17/08/2010 19:05:07    748666

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 751

748666 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 5783

Why are you and others trying to re-write history? First some "intellectual" claimed the Nazis waged a holy war in the name of Christianity, and now you claim the native Americans were dis-possessed of their lands by Christian crusaders. They were driven west by settlers intent on stealing their land, not imposing their religion on them.

The crusades are another story, but very relevant. However i never mentioned them.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/08/2010 19:15:33    748678

scruffy2donut. look up this and google this .

thebible code sundays - the boys of queens - us version.

i know were i stand?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 19:16:28    748681

17/08/2010 18:54:28
Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 751

748648 It would appear, that even in the face of conclusive, undeniable, evidence to support the notion that Americans do not want this building, people on this forum would still go against the wishes of the majority of Americans and continue with this project. Theres a name for that sort of carry on. Its called dictatorship.
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Native Americans or Muslim Americans ?

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 17/08/2010 20:01:57    748727

17/08/2010 18:54:28
Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 751

748648 It would appear, that even in the face of conclusive, undeniable, evidence to support the notion that Americans do not want this building, people on this forum would still go against the wishes of the majority of Americans and continue with this project. Theres a name for that sort of carry on. Its called dictatorship.
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Does your view of democracy also apply to Northern Ireland - ie go with the unionist majority - What if the unionist Majority decided to ban catholic churches ?

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 17/08/2010 20:06:50    748729

If the Muslim world showed a willingness to stand with the west on certain issues,e.g Islamic inspired attacks in western countries it would go a long way toward helping mend fences,and isolating the extremists in their own ranks.This in turn would create a level of trust and understanding that is completely missing right now.Granted,muslim leaders are on record criticizing the actions of these people,but they are few,then the louder voice of the hate mongers becomes that which is heard most and best.To be honest the Muslim world as a whole needs to bring their people out of the 7th century in regards to their interpretation of Islam.They have never had a reformation,and this leaves the fundamentalist interpretation as the leading school within Islam.It also makes it nigh impossible for a Muslim to have a political or social opinion that is not heavily influenced by Islam.Some might counter that western nations are heavily influenced by the Judeo/Christian tradition and that is true,the main difference though is that as our nations have developed and progressed through the ages,for example we also had an "Enlightenment",we have come to accept that it is ok to hold different political and religious opinions from our neighbour.At one time we "believed" the world was flat,now we "know" it is round.The problem for Islam is that they have a system of belief that compels them to have a 7th century,unquestioning mindset.Thats why today we have fundamentalist Islamic groups all over the US,UK and elsewhere in Europe practicing archaic forms of Islam and telling the rest of us that they are intent on introducing Sharia law for all of us to live by.They are advancing their own corrupt agendas under the protection of the civil and religious liberties afforded them in the western nations they have "chosen" to live in.In regards to building the mosque included Islamic cultural centre near the spot of the twin towers,I believe the onus is not on the people of New York and the US to be more tolerant and accepting.The US already is the most tolerant and accepting country in the world,everyone is free to worship a god or not.Everybody can criticize and voice opinions,on any matter.Therefore the American people are free to voice their opposition to this project in light of what happened there in the name of Islam,and given what could have happened in Times Square a few months ago,again in the name of Islam and perpetrated by a man who was given US citizenship and all the freedom that goes with it.The onus is on the Muslim community in the US to show some understanding and sensitivity towards their neighbours.This is not done by requesting to build a religious centre near where thousands of people died by the actions of men inspired to kill by that very same religion.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/08/2010 20:09:54    748733

native americans, chinese restaurants , muslim americans , irish republicans , bad grammer , the nazi jibes .


but still no constructive response as to why this should go ahead my patients is actually runnning thin at the naviety and lack of respect for the people had died and continue to suffer their relatives that is ye all go on about the rights of those who wish to pursue this and built their mosque , well no one is stopping them from buiding their places of worship , are these people thinking about the tragedy that occured or the nature of mass murder that had taken place that day no they are not because if they were , they would not dream of having this proposal put forward in the first place , open your eyes people.

ground zero is secret ground , and these ideas should be sguashed without delay.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 20:17:26    748738

seanie boy .
excellent post.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 20:20:53    748742

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 6381

748424 Hahahaha

Shouldnt this be in the Fridaty wind down thread?
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Sure thing Jimbo, now when exactly does Fridaty occur?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 17/08/2010 20:21:00    748743

17/08/2010 20:17:26
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2355


ground zero is secret ground
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If you don't tell them I won't - problem solved

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 17/08/2010 20:23:45    748748

Yoo-hoo ta32. Over here. *waves*.

Seeing as you apparently missed it the first time: America has to weigh up the feelings of the victims' families vs. the whole Freedom of Religion thing that's so fundamental to the country's make-up.

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 17/08/2010 20:23:50    748749

17/08/2010 20:23:50
whereangelsplay
County: Cork
Posts: 95

748749 Yoo-hoo ta32. Over here. *waves*.

Seeing as you apparently missed it the first time: America has to weigh up the feelings of the victims' families vs. the whole Freedom of Religion thing that's so fundamental to the country's make-up.
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Present a logical argument with opposite view - Post ignored
Present a post that agrees with him - have your back slapped

Once you know the rules its easier - no point in wasting time on balanced logic -

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 17/08/2010 20:30:34    748755

wereangelsplay.
yoo hoo. i know actually were i am in all of this , now continue with your smart remarks because that actually suits me down to the ground , because it tells me from what perspectitive and ground level stats u have from all of this NONE.
now from what u just said about the american government and their kid gloves approach [ which of since they have now backed down to public outrage ]
do u think that muslim leaders are taken the weighing up the feelings of the victims families in all of this , I THINK NOT.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/08/2010 20:34:51    748757

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 475

Fantastic post, very well constructed.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 17/08/2010 20:36:04    748759