Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 770

752199 artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

I am a lefty and would not label any man a fascist

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

752148
God saves us, lads its the weekend, can we lay of the goose stepping for a couple of days?

Talk about stooping down low.

Well thats pretty low ok.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 21/08/2010 14:51:15    752232

I see that the current Miss America,who is the first Muslim to hold this coveted title,is also against this proposal.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 23/08/2010 15:25:10    753730

I see the protests have already started...

throw_it_over (Galway) - Posts: 769 - 23/08/2010 15:30:00    753741

Long may these protests continue. As George Bush said "You're either with the USA or the extremists". So HS users who do you side with?

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 23/08/2010 20:18:03    754191

scruffy that is a HITLER quote he also said your either with us or against us

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 23/08/2010 20:35:41    754213

23/08/2010 20:18:03
Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 783

754191 Long may these protests continue. As George Bush said "You're either with the USA or the extremists". So HS users who do you side with?
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Now thats irony

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 23/08/2010 20:44:46    754226

Ah George Bush, truely an inspirational figure....

jarhead (Westmeath) - Posts: 285 - 23/08/2010 20:44:54    754227

I don't know if i'm with him or against him. Where does that leave me ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 23/08/2010 21:09:54    754266

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 783

754191 Long may these protests continue. As George Bush said "You're either with the USA or the extremists". So HS users who do you side with?

well if George says so its got to be good


I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah."

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 23/08/2010 21:47:07    754318

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 784

754191 Long may these protests continue. As George Bush said "You're either with the USA or the extremists". So HS users who do you side with?

Yes, when a complex situation needs to be thought out and debated before a logical conclusion based on fact and reason can be reached, old Dubya reduces it to its simplest equation.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 24/08/2010 10:01:02    754420

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5589


I don't know if i'm with him or against him. Where does that leave me ?

Sitting on the fence I guess. Eamon Gilmore style.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 24/08/2010 11:35:27    754537

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 134

The war in Afghanistan has been ongoing since October 2001 and you still haven't made up your mind who you support. Sure take a while longer, theres no panic. Let us know when you decide.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 24/08/2010 11:38:39    754545

Well it turns out the evil moneymen behind the community centre are the second biggest shareholders of Fox News and are golf partners with Dubya.

link

Benandonner (Antrim) - Posts: 459 - 24/08/2010 12:11:06    754598

Scruffy2donut

There is no rush, the Taliban are not going anywhere and NATO seem determined to kill as many Afghans as they can in order to insert a puppet regime.

So much interest in a Mosque and to my knowledge not a single poster has brought up the revelations published by wikileaks.

Well I say revelations, but as somebody who possesses a bit of wit, American/Brit soldiers killing innocents then covering it up was certainly no revelation to me.

I wonder if the Goebbels inspired US 'media' informed their citizens about the killings being carried out in their name? Would they even care? Few on this forum do.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 24/08/2010 13:51:40    754765

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 789

754545 Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 134

The war in Afghanistan has been ongoing since October 2001 and you still haven't made up your mind who you support. Sure take a while longer, theres no panic. Let us know when you decide.

Well according to Bush and most right wing simpletons I'm either with the US or the Extremists. Well I for one think its a little more complicated than that but I will answer your question.
I unequivocally condemn the actions of ALL terrorist organisation, in particular ones that target innocent civilians. This includes the terrorist attacks of 9/11.
I believe it is very unfortunate that misguided ill informed young muslims believe that written some where in their Qur'an that it is necessary for them to fight and wage war against the infidels of the west, despite the fact that the majority of the religions practitioners see just the opposite.
I condemn the actions of the US and its allies in the invasion of Iraq, the fudged and embarrassingly obvious attempt at manufacturing evidence of WMD's and the subsequent attempt to cover it up.
I am disgusted by the unilateral actions of the allies in Afghanistan that allows them to indescriminately conduct air raids and bombings on suspected terrorist targets, yet when innocent civilians are killed they brand their deaths as collateral damage, with not so much as an apology.
I feel saddened that fear and anger allows people to mistrust and brand innocent people with the actions of their kin and that there are those that believe the only solution to the worlds problems is an "us versus them" philosophy.

In response to Bush i support neither the extremists nor the US government. I hold them in equal contempt.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 24/08/2010 15:17:59    754956

Its always a tragedy when innocent lives are lost in conflict.It is however worth noting that the practitioners of this brand of Islam were attacking targets before sept 11 2001.First World Trade Centre bombing,USS Cole.To consider these people being in a minority is very true but also very misleading.The most conservative estimates put them at 5-10% of the worlds muslim population,thats potentially 80,000,000 muslims intent on destroying the western way of life.They are not to be dismissed as some lunatic fringe grouping with little support and capability.I totally agree with decision to invade Afghanistan as they were giving protection to Bin Laden,and also it was a worthwhile venture just to put the cave men Taliban out of government.I think Iraq was a mistake and never agreed with it.They would have been better of invading Saudi Arabia,one of the most despicable regimes in the history of the world,but they have oil so that will never happen.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/08/2010 15:58:41    755037

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 524

The most conservative estimates put them at 5-10% of the worlds muslim population

I'd be very interested to hear/read where you got that particular statistic. Im guessing it didnt appear in any publication of any repute because you'd have to carryout some serious worldwide polling of Muslims to glean those sort of stats. Please do not respond if the answer is Fox/CNN/ABC etc.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 24/08/2010 17:10:40    755193

The US have no right, either legal or moral to invade independent Countries and impose their world view. Anyone who has the slightest bit of knowledge regarding US actions in South America is aware that there has never been a right wing tyrant that the US has not funded and provided political cover to, so long as that regime toed the Uncle Sam line -General Branco (Brazil), Pinochet (Chile), Baner (Bolivia), Batista (Cuba)
And that is just South America!

Human rights indeed! The US did not give a damn about the Taliban human rights record when they thought they would have exclusive oil pipeline transit routes through Afghanistan, when the Taliban spoke to an Argentinian oil company, suddenly Uncle Sam developed a conscience and needed a regime change. (24 months before 9/11, source 'The Tailban -War,Religion and the New Order in Afghanistan' by P.Marsden.
It is only to be expected that Countries act in such a way to serve their best interests (that does not make it right), but please do not paint it like its a moral crusade for universal human rights! The real reason is much less noble, Filthy greed -that same old story.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 24/08/2010 18:57:10    755377

Corrxxx it is not a statistic its a conservative estimate of the strain of Islam that spawns jihadists fanatics.As I pointed out it is a conservative estimate and the numbers may possibly be much higher,or perhaps lower.Since 9/11 the world has become much more interested in Islam and its followers and many books,tv documentaries,radio programmes etc have been commenting on these matters and their implication for the world in general.Its a part of popular discourse now and is no surprise to most people,at least not to those who lend themselves to the notion that an Islam inspired fanaticism exists in todays world.Thats not very pc I know but at least its better than burying your head in the sand of the Saudi Arabian desert?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 25/08/2010 15:37:31    756099

artisan - interesting point. we all know the currency that dollors is traded in.
however id still rather be on the side of the US than some of these stone age countries who stone women to death

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11689 - 25/08/2010 17:09:13    756243