Im surprised the moderators let your earlier personal rant at me through, you start not by addressing anything I say but with a personal attack.
I'm" idealistic,to the point of extreme naivety, student or early twenty something year old innocent." Each one of them a more progressive attempt at a put down than the last. I would like to think that I am idealistic, much in the same way you argue your idealistic point of view with respect to a united Ireland. On this post you are more of a realist (perhaps) and when it comes to a united Ireland I believe I am more of a realist. There is nothing wrong with idealism but in my instance it becomes Naivety.
I am not a student but have a university education, is there something wrong with this, or does my education lead me to spout "intellectual tripe", this smacks of an inferiority complex my friend. I am not twentysomething, though I am not much older but I fail to see how this would diminish my opinion. You wont find too many sympathisers on HS with regards to this.
You don't know what you are talking about,more a case of you don't know enough of what you are trying to talk about".
"It would also be a good idea for you to take a look at what is going on in the actual real world Corrxxx,as you seem to think that al-quaeda is the only extremist group in the Islamic world" If you say so I guess. I have travelled to over 36 countries around the world, many of them in the middle east, I have travelled around north America and spent the summer there also, as well as South Eastern Africa and South America. I'd have seen a fair bit of the "real world" you are pontificating about from your computer desk. I have read many books on the conflict in the middle east. I am not an expert and do not purport to be. But I'd wager I know at least as much about the issues as you do and my opinion carries at least as much weight. I know Al Qaeda arent the only terrorist organisation out there in as much as I know first hand of the generosity and kindness of the average muslim in supposed axis of evil countries like Iran. yes, the real world!
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As for my "intellectual tripe posted as it really is a waste of my time and yours." Well if you would rather trade insults with twenty something year olds may I refer you to one of the posters in our hurling treads

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/08/2010 12:36:35    751366

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 106


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As for my "intellectual tripe posted as it really is a waste of my time and yours." Well if you would rather trade insults with twenty something year olds may I refer you to one of the posters in our hurling treads

That was Post was directed at Seanie, who seems to be the arbitrator on all things. however we seem to have come togetgher on the subject of tea and cake at bedtime

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/08/2010 12:53:53    751391

This debate has been stirred up by the US Republican Party in order to make in roads in the upcoming mid-terms. Promoting religious intolerance and alienating fellow Muslim US citizens seems the price they are more than prepared to pay for electoral gain. I have no doubt that after digesting the right wing propaganda of the US media, the same media that was only to willing to do the sabre rattling for Bush and Cheney, most Americans are by now against it. That does not make it right. A defining moment in modern US history could be approaching, hopefully freedom will be the victor - again.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 20/08/2010 13:41:10    751446

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 506

751002 BadMonkey my post requires you not to cherry pick.Irish Republicanism is not inspired by Catholicism (True, but not completely unrelated, but point taken),Islamic extremism is inspired by Islam. (False)

Those who are islamic extremist are of course followers of Islam, what inspires them is more complicated. Firstly is (and I dont claim to know what fully goes on inside their heads) their INTERPRETATION of the Qur'an. Where a moderate sees only love and understanding these people see intolerance and hatred.
I know from dealing with two sides of my family that Catholics believe in no divorce, Jehovahs witnesses believe its ok in certain circumstances, witnesses believe in no blood transfusions, Catholics have no such problem. Both claim their specific belief is written for all to see in the bible. They will both refer you to the same bible, yet how can they differ?
Secondly: What else inspires them beyond their interpretation of the Quran? If you are a young man from Helmand province related to one of the 3000-3400 civilain casulaties of the US war in Afghanistan you're going to have plenty of inspiration to draw on. In the words of a U.S. officer aboard the US aircraft carrier, Carl Vinson, when describing the use of 2,000 lb cluster bombs dropped by B-52 bombers: "A 2,000 lb. bomb, no matter where you drop it, is a significant emotional event for anyone within a square mile."
Though I wouldn't condone it remotely I'd imagine that goes a long way to explaining the inspiration to follow extremism, better than anything written in the Qur'an.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 20/08/2010 13:46:14    751457

Ok Corrxxx I may have been a little condescending in my original exchange with you and I will take that part of it back.I still stand by my argument though,and its the selective highlighting of my posts that is annoying me the most on this topic.I have shown my support for moderate Islam and moderate Muslims in general but this is not reflected in the posts directed back at me.I do believe your opinion is just as valid is mine,I just disagree with you.I have broken banana bread with dhorse but it doesn't mean we are in agreement on the matter,similarly we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/08/2010 19:25:09    751815

Artisan this is an emotive issue for New Yorkers and Americans alike and I don't think the Republican party need do very much to make it any more so.Off course both parties will use it to score points of the other,thats the nature of politics,but some high ranking democrats have already spoken out against the president on the matter so its really an issue that does unite those normally opposed to each other.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/08/2010 19:38:32    751821

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 510

751815 I may have been a little condescending.

Not a condesceding cell in your body boss, dont be so hard on yourself. There's a few homemade muffins tonight, Ramadan is great for the appetite

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/08/2010 21:10:21    751886

Sweet dhorse.You really will have stop treating me so well though,people will start to talk!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/08/2010 21:47:58    751928

Reza Safa, a former Iranian Muslim said:
"If the mosque goes up, the Islamic world will say, 'We have overcome America, on the very ground we defeated them.' "


what sort of cloud cuckoo land is he living on?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11689 - 21/08/2010 13:01:35    752087

yew_tree
County: Mayo
Posts: 1486

752087
Reza Safa, a former Iranian Muslim said:
"If the mosque goes up, the Islamic world will say, 'We have overcome America, on the very ground we defeated them.' "


what sort of cloud cuckoo land is he living on?

This project is what the extremists want, America must ensure they dont get it.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 21/08/2010 13:08:35    752093

Scruffy2Donut - IRAN and its leaders are the biggest thread to our way of life. iran would nuke any western city in a heratbeat. if the US decided to take action against them, there arent too many who would be against it. but god help us all if IRAN used/has nukes and war breaks out.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11689 - 21/08/2010 13:21:51    752113

Would these Isalmic zealots not be better directing funds towards their beleagured brethern in Pakistan.

All these organised religions operate in the same way. While Famine was ravaging the poor in Ireland the Hierarcy were building cathedrals and threatning people that if they took soup and converted to a rival brand of christianity they would burn in hell

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 21/08/2010 13:42:25    752146

God saves us, lads its the weekend, can we lay of the goose stepping for a couple of days?

Hope all enjoy the weekend with no more talk of starting yet more imperialist wars of conquest.

If the US is genuinely concerned, I would urge them to heed the words of Eleanor Roosevelt -

"We have to face the fact that either all of us are going to die together or we are going to learn to live together and if we are to live together we have to talk"

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 21/08/2010 13:44:43    752148

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

752148 God saves us,

Therein lies the Question. Is there a god?

She also is reputed to have said:
Anyone who knows history, particularly the history of Europe, will, I think, recognize that the domination of education or of government by any one particular religious faith is never a happy arrangement for the people.

Have a good one Boss.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 21/08/2010 13:57:32    752175

yew_tree
County: Mayo

Indeed the thought of Ahmedinijad with the A-bomb is disturbing, particularly if you were an Israeli. However, whilst I do believe the Islamic republic is building nuclear weapons, I dont think they would be any match for America in an atomic weapons war. The USA has the H-bomb, they could wipe Iran of the face of the earth within minutes.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 21/08/2010 13:58:04    752176

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

I am a lefty and would not label any man a fascist

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

752148
God saves us, lads its the weekend, can we lay of the goose stepping for a couple of days?

Talk about stooping down low.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 21/08/2010 14:14:06    752199

Scruffy2Donut - indeed the USA could wipe out iran BUT its what iran might manage to launch first. the earth could be destroyed. but anyway im not goin depressin myself with this anymore. think il head for the pub. yew_tree out............

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11689 - 21/08/2010 14:18:19    752202

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 769

752176 yew_tree
County: Mayo

Indeed the thought of Ahmedinijad with the A-bomb is disturbing, particularly if you were an Israeli. However, whilst I do believe the Islamic republic is building nuclear weapons, I dont think they would be any match for America in an atomic weapons war. The USA has the H-bomb, they could wipe Iran of the face of the earth within minutes.

Being a match for anyone doesn't really come in to nuclear weapons. Once one is used its pretty much curtains as there are more than enough weapons spread all over to wipe us out several times over

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 21/08/2010 14:23:01    752206

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 232

I am a lefty and would not label any man a fascist

Even if they are??

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 21/08/2010 14:24:00    752209

Please Scruff

From the Larry Murphy thread, for the benefit of other posters, here is the full quote...

"I am a lefty and would not label any man a fascist based on what I have read on this thread "

Let's conduct ourselves in a fashion which allows for open debate - deliberately edited quotes are quite unbecoming, maybe you should apply for a job with Fox News.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 21/08/2010 14:27:40    752217