seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 494

750865 Corrxxx,I really didn't want to reply to you but I feel it necessary given that you seem to be another idealistic,to the point of extreme naivety

Naive is a term used a lot by you and TA with regard to people that disagree with you.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 19:19:56    750923

seanie - would you object to irish centres or catholic churches being built in london, birmingham or manchester because the IRA carried out terrorist attacks in these places?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 19/08/2010 19:26:16    750931

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 494



.How many of you on here got your education,attended youth clubs,had days out to the beach,all thanks to the Catholic Church.Many of you also know that many priests were and are good and decent men.This is also a discussion that should have its own thread as it has nothing to do with the planned Islamic centre near ground zero.
Why should i thank the catholic church for education. I am a citizin of a republic whose ruling classes choose to abdicate its responsibilities to a corrupt hierarchy. Both of which allowed each other control over certain facets of all our lives that they had no right to. As for the beach, it was there well before the holy roman empire took over and will be there long after they're gone

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 19:27:07    750933

County: Tyrone
Posts: 494

750898 It is also worth noting that a CNN poll shows that 63% of New Yorkers are opposed to the building of the Islamic centre on the proposed site.Interestingly though,and in keeping with my own opinion,64% of New Yorkers say the Muslim community have the right to build it if they so chose.
Another CNN poll shows that almost 70% of Americans in general are opposed to the construction of the Islamic center on this site.
So I am comforted in the knowledge that my views on the matter are in keeping with the majority of New Yorkers and the American people as a whole

Well its comforting to know that the americans are falling into line with you.

Maybe your just confusing!

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 19:30:08    750935

am off course more than willing and ready to continue debate on the original topic.In all seriousness though I will not be responding to any intellectual tripe posted as it really is a waste of my time and yours also

Are you the sole arbitrator of what is intellectual or tripe? or again is intellectual tripe just something that you don't agree with.

Anyway seeing as you want to stick rididly to the question posed...

NO it does not seem to be a sick joke

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 19:39:17    750938

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 494

I contacted 8 USA citizens over the course of the day on the subject. 4 were for it, one never heard of it and one is totally against it, he's in afghanistan so i suppose he would.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 19:43:55    750945

I would not support the building of any project in an area where the people of that area have a strong opposition to said project.You probably need to be more specific in your framing of the question though?I'm sure English Catholics would have something to say about how you are lumping them in with Irish Republicans.In the same way as all Irish people are not committed Irish republicans then an Irish Centre in any part of England is no more objectionable than a Spanish or French Cultural facility,the English have had conflicts with the peoples of these countries in the past aswell.If however you were asking would I support the idea of Sinn Fein,The 32 County Sovereignty Committee,or Republican Sinn Fein to open a facility near the site of any of these attacks then the answer is no.I would consider such a demand to be insensitive and triumphalist,and I am a Republican.I would also consider it offensive if Sinn Fein or any group representing militant Irish Republicans,past or present,demanded permission to open a facility in a loyalist area,say the Shankill Road,against the expressed wishes of the people of the Shankill Road.As it is not the Culture of Ireland or the teachings of Catholicism that motivated Irish Republicans then I couldn't answer without a little elaboration.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 19:56:44    750960

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 495

750865 Corrxxx,I really didn't want to reply to you but I feel it necessary given that you seem to be another idealistic,to the point of extreme naivety, student or early twenty something year old innocent

What age does one need to be to have a legitimate opinion, even if its not one shared by you?
If an early twentysomething year old agrees with you does that make your opinion questionable?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 20:00:50    750964

dhorse-"The stupid neither forgive nor forget,the NAIVE forgive and FORGET,the wise forgive but do not forget". Thomas Szasz.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 20:08:01    750970

dhorse-I didnt start the thread and I personally wouldn't refer to the proposal being a sick joke either.I'm just voicing my objection to the idea in principle.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 20:11:36    750973

All opinions are legitimate dhorse, some are just legitimately wrong.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 20:16:18    750978

Brilliant seanie i think you've finally got it. Your above post was 100% correct and i absolutely agree with it. Now maybe try and look at what you said in the context of America

I'm sure English Catholics would have something to say about how you are lumping them in with Irish Republicans.In the same way as all Irish people are not committed Irish republicans then an Irish Centre in any part of England is no more objectionable than a Spanish or French Cultural facility

simply substituting the key words...

I'm sure American Muslims would have something to say about how you are lumping them in with Al-Queda.In the same way as all Muslim people are not Al-Queda then a Mosque in any part of America is no more objectionable than a Spanish or French Cultural facility

Ta-da! And to go one step further. You say -

If however you were asking would I support the idea of Sinn Fein,The 32 County Sovereignty Committee,or Republican Sinn Fein to open a facility near the site of any of these attacks then the answer is no

look what happens -

If however you were asking would I support the idea of Osama bin Laden, Al-Queda,or any militant groups to open a facility near the site of any of these attacks then the answer is no

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 19/08/2010 20:35:19    750992

BadMonkey my post requires you not to cherry pick.Irish Republicanism is not inspired by Catholicism,Islamic extremism is inspired by Islam.That was the point of my all scenarios encompassing post.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 20:45:44    751002

bad.monkey

I fully understand the points you are putting across however the comparison of al qaeda with the Irish Republican Army is not valid. Don't take my word for it however....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ira-are-freedom-fighters-and-not-a-terrorist-group-says-mandelson-621460.html

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 19/08/2010 20:51:07    751005

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 499

751002 BadMonkey my post requires you not to cherry pick.Irish Republicanism is not inspired by Catholicism,

That is very true. Irish Nationalism however is a different animal altogether

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 21:13:58    751024

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 499

750978 All opinions are legitimate dhorse, some are just legitimately wrong.

In your opinion of course.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 21:23:27    751038

dhorse-reaching a little far there,but I do see where you are coming from.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 21:25:57    751040

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 500

751040 dhorse-reaching a little far there,but I do see where you are coming from.

I just knew we would agree on something, Perhaps its time to start again.

I'm just putting on the kettle. Slice of warm banana bread anyone??

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 19/08/2010 21:31:16    751049

Sound.I will break bread with anybody.Even banana bread!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/08/2010 21:56:41    751092

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 506

750970 dhorse-"The stupid neither forgive nor forget,the NAIVE forgive and FORGET,the wise forgive but do not forget". Thomas Szasz.

Did somebody mention intellectual tripe??

The lads that drove the planes into the towers could use to the fatal freedom theory to justify it. not that they need it, they have plenty of their own intellectual tripe to go on with.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/08/2010 12:16:10    751331