Since the first hurling championship Tipperary and Kilkenny have met in 15 All Ireland Senior Hurling Finals. Tipp winning 9, Kilkenny 6. That's just 15 in 125 years.

7 of those wins for Tipp came before 1965, (1885, 1898, 1916, 1937, 1945, 1950, 1964) the other 2 coming in 1971 and 1991.

Since 1967, Kilkenny and Tipperary have met in just 4 all ireland finals, that's a shocking total in 42 years of hurling, Kilkenny won 2 (1967, 2009) Tipp won 2, (1971, 1991).

This is hardly Kilkenny's fault as they have been in 25 all irelands in this time, Tipp have only been in 9 finals in that period.

Tipp's most succesful period came between 1949 and 1971 (23 year period) when they competed in 12 all irelands, winning 9 and losing 3.

Kilkenny's most successful period is still going, in the past 19 years they have competed in 13 finals, winning 9 losing 4. That's more all ireland appearances in 4 less years.

In 125 years of finals, Tipp have competed in 35 All Ireland Senior Hurling Finals. Kilkenny have competed in 56.

I think it's very safe to say that Kilkenny have rewritten the history books and will continue rewritting it for years to come. Tipp's dominance in all irelands over Kilkenny is long gone. Almost 20 years since the last and almost 40 since the one before.

My point here being that if Tipp people (namly one person) are happy to think that beating Kilkenny back in the 1800's and early 1900's is enough to beat this Kilkenny team 100 years later, you will be very sadly mistaken.

I'm afraid to say that yes Tipp's sucess is in History where it shall remain, somewhere around the pages with Michael Collins and the 1916 rebellion. And it will stay there as long as any hurler in Tipp is happy with what Tipp have won 100 years ago.

This is our era to enjoying winning All Irelands, who cares about the past, we don't get excited looking at old scores, we get excited watching players like Shefflin, Canning, Kelly, Tommy Walsh and teams like Kilkenny and yes we'll talk about them in years to come but I for one would rather be winning all irelands in the present than reminising about the past.

I doubt very much that Kilkenny will be worried that Tipp have beaten them 3 more times in All Ireland Finals, Kilkenny have been to 21 more so if tradition tells us anything, it's that Kilkenny traditionally get to Finals and Tipperary don't.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 16/08/2010 11:23:04    746874

What is this all about? Who cares who got to 50 odd finals. Can't wait till September 5th as the 2 best teams in the country play.

Rock & Roll (None) - Posts: 74 - 16/08/2010 12:52:43    746992

Interesting statistics faithfull. You either know your stuff or you have done some research. Ultimately, what happened all those years ago means nothing (maybe last year will have a bearing but certainly not 1971 or 1895!). The two best teams in the country up against each other. I hope who ever is best on the day wins as happened last year.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 16/08/2010 17:48:47    747384

Another fact is that it is Tipp's first time to appear in two finals-in-a-row since 1988-1989. The time before that was 1967-1968.

Also, Tipp won in 1945, the year Cork's 5-in-a-row bid came unstuck.

Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 16/08/2010 18:05:51    747423

What is this all about? Who cares who got to 50 odd finals. Can't wait till September 5th as the 2 best teams in the country play.

Clearly, faithfull is putting forward an argument counteracting that of thurlesblues, who has been saying here for ages that Tipp 'always beat Kilkenny' in finals.

Good stats, cheers for posting them up.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 16/08/2010 18:24:25    747456

whats the point of this thread an AI title won in 1900 is every bit as valid as one won last year kk are donig great at the moment and are a pleasure to watch but there not the only hurling or football team to be going for 5 in a row . if history tells us any it is that nobody stays on top forever

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 16/08/2010 18:41:09    747471

Rock & Roll
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746992
What is this all about? Who cares who got to 50 odd finals. Can't wait till September 5th as the 2 best teams in the country play.

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Agree totally sir.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 16/08/2010 18:55:42    747484

jesus u have some bloody grudge against tipp! grow up!

moddy91 (Tipperary) - Posts: 226 - 16/08/2010 18:58:20    747488

Let see what dilusional views.... sorry I mean thurlesblues makes of that

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/08/2010 19:06:02    747511

moddy91 nobody has a grudge against Tipp,I would say this thread is all about tthurlesblouse who when presented with a few facts is conspicous by his absence,I thiik from now on we should just ignore him

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 538 - 16/08/2010 21:06:55    747666

U must have put a fair bit of effort into compiling these facts, a bit strange that an Offaly man would go to such lengths in trying to defend Kikenny! No doubt the cats are going throw an amazing golden period, 7 all irelands in one decade has helped them to rewrite the record books. I still think there is a certain tradition when Tipp and the cats meet in a final. Last year showed that, a Tipp team with a fair few youngsters showed no fear against the cats and came up to win the game but just fell short. This year is going to be a similar battle.
One of the stats you mentioned is misleading I think. Kilkenny have reached more all ireland finals than Tipp because Leinster has ben an easier championship to win historically than Munster. When you go back 40 years or more the team that won either Munster or Leinster would be more or less guaranteed a place in the final due to the fact that Galway and Antrim were easier to beat in say the 20's to the 60's especially. The cats have won 67 Leinster finals and the next on the list is Dublin with just 23 so it is no surprise than they have been in 56 finals. Tipp have won 37 Munster finals and Cork 50 which shows how competitive Munster has been over the years. The fact remains that the cats have lost 25 finals whereas Tipp have lost just 10.

Tippsman (Tipperary) - Posts: 17 - 16/08/2010 21:10:29    747669

mooncat:
forgive me sorry just felt he was having a go at tipp anyway last years final proved there ain't much between the teams hope walsh is back for ye i hope it'll be a great game

moddy91 (Tipperary) - Posts: 226 - 16/08/2010 21:58:43    747721

Thanks for the history update Faithful, not that we need reminding all the same. The modern Tipp fan would prefer not to reflect on the past because of stats like that. We are obsessed with the game of hurling and would love to win all-ireland in the present day. We are not interested in blowing about 100 years ago or get caught up with stopping 5 in a row bids. We just want to see our team win the all-ireland, simple as that.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/08/2010 21:58:49    747722

Tippsman.... Do you know thurlesblue by any chance ;)

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/08/2010 21:59:02    747724

Tippsman: maybe its your reasoning that is misled! If Tipp have won 37 Munster titles and Cork 50, then it would appear that Munster, for large periods of time, may well have been as uncompetitive as you say Leinster is. Apart from that halcyon period in the mid to late nineties, Munster was dominated by the big two for years.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 17/08/2010 08:06:21    747729

Faithful

As I said already in the last 11 all ireland meetings between Kilkenny and Tipp , Tipp have won 8 and Kilkenny have won 3
that will be 9 to 3 in September thats one statistic you conveniently left out my man! Tradition shows they fear Tipp we know it and more importantlythey know it too

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 17/08/2010 09:09:54    747747

Tippsman: maybe its your reasoning that is misled! If Tipp have won 37 Munster titles and Cork 50, then it would appear that Munster, for large periods of time, may well have been as uncompetitive as you say Leinster is. Apart from that halcyon period in the mid to late nineties, Munster was dominated by the big two for years.
Tongo , 17/08/2010 at 08:06
tongo Tipp have 38 munster finals not 37!!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 17/08/2010 09:10:38    747748

Tippsman: maybe its your reasoning that is misled! If Tipp have won 37 Munster titles and Cork 50, then it would appear that Munster, for large periods of time, may well have been as uncompetitive as you say Leinster is. Apart from that halcyon period in the mid to late nineties, Munster was dominated by the big two for years.
Tongo , 17/08/2010 at 08:06

As I said Tipp have 38 munster titles not 37

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 17/08/2010 09:17:33    747755

Tippsman Tipp have won 38 munster titles not 37!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 17/08/2010 09:59:45    747785

thurlesblouse has done 4 in a row,he must be proud or else he likes talking to himself, I wouldnt be bothered debating with him anymore

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 538 - 17/08/2010 10:53:23    747831