When are GAA people going to realise that this is not celebrating it is hooliganism and has to stop invading the pitch is someday soon going to lead to a disaster.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 12/08/2010 13:04:15    744097

hurler40
County: Cavan
Posts: 15

744094 How dare ye suits in croke park try and fence patrons of gaa in like animals



There is no way that the animal rights people would allow you to fence so many animals in one place so your analagy is flawed my friend!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 12/08/2010 13:07:43    744103

I thought the fences were removed in the first place for health and safety.

Remember the barbed wire fences in grounds back in the day?- They were a bitch to get over.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 12/08/2010 13:12:22    744112

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 125

744097 When are GAA people going to realise that this is not celebrating it is hooliganism and has to stop invading the pitch is someday soon going to lead to a disaster

Lets disband the entire organisation so. I mean playing matches and attending them will defo eventually lead to someone getting hurt.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13845 - 12/08/2010 13:13:57    744114

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 125

744097 When are GAA people going to realise that this is not celebrating it is hooliganism and has to stop invading the pitch is someday soon going to lead to a disaster.

I think they, and you, have realised this.

But you and i unfortunately don't have to experience this Hooliganism.

these young, middle aged, doctors, nurses, firemen fathers and mothers who go on to the pitch are HOOLIGANS. They should be rounded up and send down Jonse's road all at once, that'ill show 'em!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 12/08/2010 13:18:49    744124

Another thing strikes me on this.

They're worried about pitch invasions at Croke Park. Fair enough, whatever the result, I think we can all agree that it's right and proper that they show concern for our safety. But have they been to a Munster final in Pairc Ui Squeeze anytime in the last ten years? Any concerns about that particular monument to danger?

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 12/08/2010 15:30:38    744365

pitch invasions are dangerous, no doubt. regardless whether there built into the evacuation procedures in the advent of a fire or structure collapse or not they are dangerous. but its niave of the GAA to nit pick over this. one rule for croker and one for the rest wont work. obviously you cant stop people entering club pitches but if its going to work then they will have to do it from county grounds up. it wont work otherwise IMO.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 12/08/2010 15:40:38    744380

I disagree with fences of any kind inside sports groungs BUT put up BIG signs outside and inside Croke Park stating that "anyone who enters the field of play does so as their own risk and is not laible to claim against the GAA in event of an injury". Print these disclaimers on tickets and in the food outlets and concourses throughout the ground. I have no sympathy for anyone who pushes their way through other fans, stewards, guards to run on to the pitch tradition or no tradition.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 12/08/2010 15:42:59    744391

cant understand you guys cavan man and tinryland man.just as well ye lot dont get to all ireland final day.fences and barriers belong to the past .interesting point that hill 16 is still terrace though. what will happen if dublin win all ireland.thousands heading for fence?this is another example of not listening to grass roots.

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 12/08/2010 15:47:40    744398

Another thing strikes me on this.

They're worried about pitch invasions at Croke Park. Fair enough, whatever the result, I think we can all agree that it's right and proper that they show concern for our safety. But have they been to a Munster final in Pairc Ui Squeeze anytime in the last ten years? Any concerns about that particular monument to danger?
Culchie , 12/08/2010 at 15:30

remember the 91 munster final in Thurles between Tipp and Cork and the pitch invasion behind the cork goal the funniest thing that day was the lad in the wheelchair being ran around the pitch after the final whistle nobody was injured though

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 12/08/2010 15:56:04    744417

Of course spell the things correctly before putting them up, I blame these glasses.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 12/08/2010 16:01:12    744431

I'm in two minds about the whole thing. Up until recently I was totally against the efforts to stop people from going onto the field. However, I think some of the constant plamás has sunk in by now.

Anyway, this fence will make no difference. Both All-Irelands will go according to recent tradition IMO:

At the full time whistle: The stewards form aline in front of the Hill and lift their plastic mesh thing around the stands.
Half a minute after the full time whistle: Supporters in all sections of the ground start moving their way towards the front.
Two to three minutes: There's no problems in any of the stands because the seats stop the density of people at the front from getting dangerous. However, the front of the hill is a different story. A few head bangers make it over the fence and past the stewards but are quickly apprehended.
Three to five minutes: It gets dangerous at the front of the hill and a potential crush situation develops (regardless of the height of the barrier)
Five minutes: Plan B. Let the supporters at the front of the hill out in order to stop anybody from getting injured in a crush. Once you let the hill out you have to leave all the people in the stands out

I might be wrong but it seems to me that the above is what happened in each the finals over the last few years. The height of the barrier will make no difference. People will still push towards the front of the hill and a crush will still potentially happen meaning that they would have to leave people onto the field.

Cilldara_2000 (Kildare) - Posts: 57 - 12/08/2010 16:17:54    744462

no matter who wins the all ireland of all the teams left (football and hurling) there is going to be an outpouring of emotion. a fence around the hill WONT stop an invasion. IF there was no pitch invasion - me thinks the gaa will have their big overhyped stage in center field surrounded by big signs with SPONSORS names across it - ya thats right, how much more will they get if that happens.
as for the argument about damage to the pitch - lets see here - its ok for pitch damage for westlife, U2, and countless other music acts. ive got news for the GAA - croke park is OUR pitch. not yers or the thug hired security goons who try to keep fans off.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11945 - 12/08/2010 16:20:58    744472

Derry_ledd
County: Derry
Posts: 1234

I thought the fences were removed in the first place for health and safety.

Remember the barbed wire fences in grounds back in the day?- They were a bitch to get over.

There still in Carlow. But as in most places we let them on the pitch but the hobnobs dont like that.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1852 - 12/08/2010 16:28:22    744489

doublehop
County: Kildare
Posts: 204

744084 The GAA are going to have to compromise?

Yes doublehop, compromise. Like if the GAA say if you help us keep insurance costs down by staying off the pitch, we'll cut ticket prices or you can go on to the pitch for the presentation as soon as we have the ref and players safely off it. How many people have seen anyone get injured coming on to the pitch in Croke Park? The likelihood is the insurance companies have the GAA in a vice over this.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 12/08/2010 16:29:06    744493

yew_tree why does an outpouring of emotion have to mean a pitch invasion? Also I think you're a bit extreme with the them and us when it comes to the GAA. Are you not a member of the GAA yourself?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 12/08/2010 16:47:51    744536

Yew Tree makes another solid point. As well as insurance companies driving this, there are quite probably sponsers willing to pay big money to have their logos emblazoned all over the presentation. There's nothing wrong with that. But really, I don't think anybody should be naive enough to think that health and safety concerns are driving this campaign. Those may be secondery concerns, but money is likely to be the main motivator here. Like almost every other facet of life - it's all about the money.

As a non profit making organisation, the GAA can chose to be different. But alas, in recent years , they have continually chosen to maximise revenue above every other concern. That is not surprising when they actually recruit staff whose job it is to maximise revenue. What else would a 'stadium director' be doing? How long before we're changing the name to the 'Hunky Dory Croke Park', or Sam Maguire becomes the 'Coca Cola Sam Maguire?'

Whenever you want to understand any little mystery, in any era of history, just remember Cuba Gooding Junior - SHOW ME THE MONEY!!

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 12/08/2010 17:34:56    744609

Was never at a concert in Croke Park but was at the Special Olympics ceremony. Is there not thousand of people on the pitch ton these occasions ? How do they exit the ground ? If the G.A.A. are worried about thousands exiting the ground onto Jones's Road then why not close this gate and direct supporters to another exit by the use of stewards and gardai at barriers ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/08/2010 18:14:22    744667

Ehh, why is it just the Hill being fenced?........Is that stuipid orange building site mesh not placed all around the barrier to stop people in the stands from getting out too?......Ehh, I dont think the people in the stands just sit there quietly either after winning a championship final!!!!!

The barrier will be a massive step backward and dont try to tell me that fans will not be scaling this high barrier to get on the pitch in the same manner and that is even more dangerous than simply crossing a waist high concrete barrier!!

Serious retrograde step being taken if this goes ahead and if a Heysel/Hillsborough type thing happens again I will place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the GAA!

Ehh, if you were in the hill and couldnt get onto the pitch after the game I would simply run out under the Cusack and get on to it from there!!!....Simple As!!

GAA suits, be advised that you will be responsible if any images ever hit our newspapers again of fans being crushed to death against barriers if you go ahead with this!!

This is the choice: Fans crushed to death - or - The odd fan breaking a leg or something running onto the pitch every once in a blue moon??!!

Which is it!......GAA suit fools!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 12/08/2010 18:46:49    744695

Is there any of this health and safety craic at concerts? There is a hell of a lot more squashing, shoving and general danger at a big concert. What happens? The people who don't mind any of this go to the front, the people who slighly mind it hang back a bit and others who dont like it dont go at all.

It should be the same case for Croke Park. If people want to go on the pitch, let them. They can make up their own minds but they run the full risk themselves of discomfort, injury etc. The Gaa should allow this but take a "Gaa takes no responsibility" attitude about the whole thing.

jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 13/08/2010 13:12:08    745259