I reserved judgement on Cork until today. I said I'd compare the Cork performance in the semi in 2007 to todays performance. I believe they were a better team under Gerald McCarthy, played better hurling and were hungrier than they are now. I think the evidence supports me.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 08/08/2010 16:06:44    739968

i donk know, but this kilkenny team seen to be getting even better , how they they improve on this?

millhouse (Meath) - Posts: 892 - 08/08/2010 16:10:30    739969

I dont know millhouse, but Im sure theyll be even better next year!

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 08/08/2010 16:12:11    739973

Sorry, 2008 semi

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 08/08/2010 16:57:35    740002

Absolutely.

Can't help but watch today and realise that these Cork players have gone backwards and that they obviously had ideas about themslevs that were far above their station. They went on strike partly because they felt Gerald Mac was making little progress and that his training regime was delivering no progress. Well, I'd like to see what they think their progress has been since they unceremoniously ousted him.

As much as I hate not liking any particular team, I have a very content feeling running through my veins today watching this. Well done Cats. A true GAA team. No books, ads, openings or heirs and graces.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 08/08/2010 17:02:23    740006

Strange that Tyrone and Kerry seem to have "gone backward" from 2008 as well, with the same managers.

How do you explain that?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 08/08/2010 17:12:54    740014

The teams are incomparable. Same players 2 years older. Hunger was not in question either year.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 08/08/2010 17:33:45    740038

hurlinspuds
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The teams are incomparable. Same players 2 years older.



Thanks spuds. I thought that was the answer.

The same thing applies to Cork I imagine or have they discovered the secret of eternal youth?

Or was the initial post daft?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 08/08/2010 17:50:30    740063

Was talking to one of the cork players recently and he expressed his regret that they ousted gerald mccarthy. He felt that, looking back, they couldve won another all ireland if they had held onto gerald. Too late for all that now lads

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 08/08/2010 17:53:45    740070

No the initial post was not daft at all !! Cork were better under Gerald McCarthy. I'd say theres a few players cringing now !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2010 17:54:11    740071

Just in case the Cork lads are saying its just down to age, I read a post the other day where it was pointed out that only the O'Connors, Sean Halpin and Cusack are over 30. Also, 12 of the same Kilkenny team started the 08 semi-final as started today.

Denis Walsh unfortunately seems to be the Yes Man the established players wanted. Everyone got carried away with them after the Tipp game, but they were terrible both days v Waterford, Antrim, today, even the league final v Galway where they were very much second best. They keep saying they have no good young players, but they haven't made Pat Cronin, Pat Horgan or O'Sullivan jnr certainties yet. Amazingly today they decided to take off the forwards even though it was their backs who were roasted and the goalkeeper who was disgraceful. Their touch has been poor all year. They haven't had the fitness of either Kilkenny or Waterford. Their only tactic was to drop the ball into a huge but incredibly limited full-forward. No intensity or hunger.

I wonder will there be a strike to remove Denis Walsh? Unlike Gerald who had done a very good job, maybe they wont need one this time as Denis Walsh done a terrible job.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 08/08/2010 18:14:30    740100

Cork are a poor poor team who just overcame a shockingly overconfident Tipp team in the first rounds. Now Corks true colours are showing. Saki is no hurler!!

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 08/08/2010 18:22:25    740113

I'm up here in Dublin feeling sorry for myself, staying with a pal of mine. Just popped in to see what ye are saying. Re this thread, how many times do we have to tell you that the Cork hurling dispute and indeed the football dispute a year earlier. ( Don't forget it was the football panel who kicked off the original dispute) was all about a power struggle between players and a then dictatorial County Board. Gerald was merely an unfortunate pawn caught in the middle. Anyhow re today well done to Kilkenny they are simply an awsome side, the frightening thing is they are getting better and having watched their minors today I am genuinely fearful that their total dominance could really harm hurling. It was not a good display by Cork but to their credit they battled away in the second half and got a string of lovely points. I would say thanks to the Cork team for all their efforts this year and for all the joy they did bring us a few years back. I think some guy on this thread said it was a disgraceful display by our keeper, this guy obviously doesn't have a clue about hurling. He made one mistake which 9 times out of 10 he would have got away with but the KK forward pounced on it with a wonderful ground stroke. Apart from that his shot stopping and distribution was excellent. Anyhow Cadogan should now be available for the football panel, life goes on, nobody died.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 08/08/2010 18:37:36    740127

simple fact..cork went on strike..didnt want the manager didnt want the county board who was in charge..players wanted to pick the team..pick the style of play they wanted played..didnt want to see the second team that played during the strike really involed with the guys who went on strike..didnt want the second team be allowed the gpa..

KK just kept playing hurling..players play...
KK got better has they just played and didnt get involved with the sideshows

colin (Cork) - Posts: 233 - 08/08/2010 18:39:06    740129

08/08/2010 17:12:54
patrique
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740014 Strange that Tyrone and Kerry seem to have "gone backward" from 2008 as well, with the same managers.

How do you explain that?


I cant explain it Patrique. Purely because Kerry have a different manager to the one they had in 2008.
Kerry and Tyrone may have gone back since 2008 but still managed to win the only All ireland Final Since then.
Neither county will have a player revolt and fire their manager if they don't win for a couple of years though.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 08/08/2010 18:40:32    740131

And we're talking about Cork Hurlers here and the consequences of their strike which was a very important, if not the most important event in the GAA over the last 3 years. We're not discussing a Tyrone or Kerry Strike, simply because they have not gone on strike. You cannot compare.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 08/08/2010 18:45:06    740134

Cavan_Slasher
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No the initial post was not daft at all !! Cork were better under Gerald McCarthy.


That is an opinion however it can never be proven, as it is an opinion.

However I can't remember Cork beating Tipperary by 10 points in 2008.................

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 08/08/2010 20:03:09    740212

Not the most popular bunch of players outside their own county, that's a given. Still it's not nice to see the schadenfreude that's become a feature in these forums in recent times surface again. I was disappointed with the reaction too by some supporters at Croker today to Ben O'Connor's missed free toward the end of the first half. Especially given the gap in the scores at the time. Do we really need to jeer and ridicule amatuer players ?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1071 - 08/08/2010 20:17:50    740232

Maroon, to be honest, if I'm being really honest, I am delighted at the beating Cork got today. But I dont think it is unmerited. I was involved in many debates on here 2 years ago over the Cork hurlers' strike. There were two main branches to the pro-strike argument. One was that Gerald McCarthy was a terrible outdated manager. The second was that the players knew better than the county board who should be manager. They have been proven so wrong today on both counts that I feel a good deal of vindication for my criticism of the players actions.

On purely hurling terms, its very hard as a Wexfordman to watch Kilkenny keep beating teams. And ordinarily Id support whoever they play against. But Ive been waiting a while now for this Cork team to receive their dues. And they got what they deserved today.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 08/08/2010 20:38:52    740261

Lads I'll be honest I can see too much difference in the way the team plays under each manager.... aiske is the only change in tactic and that hasn't worked since the tipp game.... Walsh needs to start making changes in personal horgan is the only one really that's been given a chance on the team (cadogan got in case the rock left)... new blood is needed.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 08/08/2010 20:46:31    740269