I've not doubt you can read what's under question is how do you know what the players want.


delighted about the reading ability though!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 10/08/2010 11:25:48    741627

carlowman
County: Carlow
Posts: 504

741270 Time to try something as it looks like someone will be killed if Plan B is the only plan for the finals. No all ireland would be worth that. People need to grow up. Its not a right to have access to the pitch after the game. Tradition yes... but that is not always the safe thhing to do.

This is typical of a comment against allowing access to the pitch. You say Plan B was dangerous and someone was bound to be killed. That's scaremongering.

Now Plan B may have been dangerous but what made it dangerous. The stewards trying to stop people coming onto the pitch in the first place creating the crush. Why can't we explore ways to allow supporters access to the pitch in a controlled manner. This is a pet project in Croke Park for certain people.

I've been on the pitch in Croke Park after games on numerous occasions and never once was I in any danger.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13803 - 10/08/2010 11:28:13    741630

County: Dublin
Posts: 6294

741624 Also the GPA is opposed to pitch invasions

2000+ Inter County members...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 10/08/2010 11:30:01    741632

If there was a procedure where people were allowed onto the pitch in an orderly fashion after the final would they be in any more danger than they are now when exiting the stadium on their way home ? Now i am against going onto the pitch at all but i cannot see a situation where, say if the Dubs win, people will not climb fences or push past stewards, gardai etc and encroach on the pitch as the euphoria of the occasion will take over !! The G.A.A. must get this right !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/08/2010 11:41:24    741645

Surely there has to be some kind of access to the pitch in the case of fire ie gates.....so if there is a danger of people getting crushed they'll have to open gates

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 10/08/2010 13:21:11    741814

it seems this is going to be installed before the finals this year. and to be honest ive a bad feeling about this one. we all know the GAA treat croker different to the rest of their grounds but a fence is a bad idea. a fence is there to be climbed and if some-one was to impailed on it i can only imagine the furore. there's also a lot of potential against the grain results this year coupled with possible historic wins. kilk winning 5 in-a-row, tipp stopping them, waterford, kildare on a long awaited win, dubs winning first all ireland in new croker. there's a lot of potential hysteria there that could spill onto the pitch. the GAA have also said that most invasions occur from the hill, hence the fence. this maybe true, but what happens if the security lines are broken some-where else? there could be crushing on the hill with people trying to get down at the side of the hogan and cusack. i think a glass screen would be better, at least its transparent and un-climbable (in theory anyway), but boxing in the hill with a fence is a bad call in my book. if people know the fence will have gates to avoid crushes they will climb it to get the gates open, at least with a glass shield (like ice-hockey and i think the san siro has one???) people will know before hand its un-passable.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 10/08/2010 15:46:33    742143

Apparrently its only going to be in place for Dublin matches so they feel at home

monitor (Down) - Posts: 209 - 10/08/2010 15:51:20    742161

Many years ago they used to have a deep moat all around the pitch. It was filled with crocodiles which were never fed. The story goes that a Fermanagh man fell into it while trying to cross. He is reputed to have eaten six crocodiles before he was pulled out !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/08/2010 15:54:07    742171

what are they going to put burned out cars in there as well??

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 10/08/2010 15:59:03    742186

And a couple of lost americans

monitor (Down) - Posts: 209 - 10/08/2010 16:03:23    742202

I haven't bothered reading through this entire thread as there are too many posts to be honest on this topic, but I think it is awful that for a sport where no crowd segregation is necessary, that we could potentially end up with a 9 foot high barrier the whole way around the stadium. Never mind the fact that this will look dreadful, it will also send out a very bad message to people outside Ireland looking at our games, who will obviously think we have major issues with crowd control. Even English football grounds where there is always a potential for crowd trouble do not have barriers around the stadium, the only way to sort this out for once and for all is to bring in legislation making it an offence to go on to the pitch.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 10/08/2010 16:13:23    742235

I heard that it is only be erected during Dublin games!!

Correct me if i am wrong

Ha

Down Exile (Down) - Posts: 214 - 10/08/2010 17:12:05    742385

it would be stupit to erect a fence and also very dangerous and would cause loss of life if for example dublin or a new county won Sam or Mc. cups. THe only fans that wont invade the pitch are maybe Kerry or Kilkenny, all other counties are going into the field when they win and a fence wont keep them out but will result in the loss of life. dont say you were never told - like some politicians

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 10/08/2010 19:43:04    742637

ochonlir
County: Cavan
Posts: 1364

742186 what are they going to put burned out cars in there as well??

There was one outside Croker this morn!! Saw it on my way to the siopa.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13803 - 10/08/2010 20:22:23    742696

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1151

740731
I hope those Louth fans responsible for the cowardly attack on the ref are happy with their actions. It won't affect them of course as they'll never win anything so will have no reason to go on the pitch but as a Tyrone man it will lessen the enjoyment of the All-Ireland wins in coming years

good man yourself i think i smell a WUM!
its people like you who tarnish the good county of tyrone

Louth_And_Proud (Louth) - Posts: 40 - 10/08/2010 20:50:10    742727

Madness. Hillsborough folks as we all know happened because of fencing. Everywhere else has demolished terracing and taken down fencing. Hill 16 needs to be demolished. Thats what should be done if the GAA want to be seen to be semi conscious no place for a terrace in 21st Century sport, its risky, it causes crushing, fencing makes crushing inevitable and this can lead to disaster as in Hillsborough when 95 died. Do we really want the risk of that happening in Ireland? Madness
luke

lukekehoe (Dublin) - Posts: 2 - 10/08/2010 21:16:08    742745

no!

All joking aside

Hill 16 especially when it's filled with Dubs is an awesome sight and a wall of sound it's an old fashioned terrace in a modern stadium and the stadium is the greater for it

increasing the barrier height is nonsense

alternatives in terms of exiting people from the pitch out of the stadium need to be found instead of endangering the precioos cargo on the hill

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 10/08/2010 21:32:35    742766

Culmore where are you coming from?do you seriously think that ikk do 5 in a row,if Tipp or Waterford win the AI that the fans of any of the 3 wont want to go out on the field? I will predict what will happen,the fans in the stands will get out on the field and then you will have a crush on the hill,its madness to fence the hill,I am not saying its right that fans should go on the pitch but its awful hard not to,I was so excited in 67 that I climbed the fence at the canal end,it was a high fencewith barbed wire if I remember correctly,just imagine the excitement of the fans of the 3 remaining counties in the hurling alone,for their own reasns,it doesnt bear thinking about

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 538 - 10/08/2010 21:49:03    742775

10/08/2010 15:51:20
monitor
County: Down
Posts: 47

742161 Apparrently its only going to be in place for Dublin matches so they feel at home

Monitor

When it come to fences and barb wire I think you lot would feel more at home than the Dubs. You lived behind them for 30 years

fitzerb (Dublin) - Posts: 10 - 10/08/2010 21:54:22    742787

If Dublin were to win the All Ireland then people on the Hill would be more pleased to see the team coming down to them rather than getting onto the pitch, and of course that would only be possible if there are not that many supporters on the pitch already. The idea that thousands of people are going to storm a large barrier is ludicrous. It never happened when the fence was there in years gone by and it won't happen now, no matter what county wins the All Irelands.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 11/08/2010 08:53:47    742816