Heaven forbid I may mislead this thread. You could say it's a bit like yourself, by your own admission you left glorious Ireland for a 'few bob'. Maybe I'm just a realist, a united Ireland isn't going to put food on the table or money in the bank. Personally I think living in a 32 county Republic would be of scant consolation if I were unemployed and with zero prospects

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 15:20:18    742074

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1140

742074 Heaven forbid I may mislead this thread. You could say it's a bit like yourself, by your own admission you left glorious Ireland for a 'few bob'. Maybe I'm just a realist, a united Ireland isn't going to put food on the table or money in the bank. Personally I think living in a 32 county Republic would be of scant consolation if I were unemployed and with zero prospects


I think Ulsterman has hit the nail on the head with his comments. Since partition we have grown apart to such a degree that our ways and our customs are completley different. I also agree that we could never be re united, whether it will because of financial , security or cutural reasons. Pemroy Plunkett we in the republic of Ireland could never sustain your public sector level of employment so your right to question the value of a united Ireland. I never thought myself and Ulsterman would agree on anything but i am in full agreement with him that we are too different to be ever re united.
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paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 10/08/2010 15:35:47    742108

you think people aren't unemployed with zero prospects in the UK?? At least we came into this recession off the back of being an economic success story, the UK were doing badly coming into it! I made a point above of admitting that ireland wasn't the land of milk and honey, far from it but neither are we worse than the UK in every aspect as you stated. I also stated above that I'm grateful that I found work in the UK. It'll probably be canada or Oz next as things are getting so bad here.

I guess this is where we differ pomeroy, you put your pocket first and i put my country first. I don't expect any slaps in the back for it, it's what I was taught was right as a kid. I guess the university kids of today have different priorities, eventhough it isn't long since i was there.

Anyway, good luck with being in favour of reuniting ireland given the very specific and unlikely prescribed circumstances that you are waiting for. Amazing to meet an irish guy who is anti hurling and anti reuniting his country all at once. I guess you're anti gaeilge as well........a self loathing irishman. oh british, sorry.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/08/2010 15:38:17    742120

hurlingspuds.
thank you ... u just saved me the trouble ... some people are lost ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 10/08/2010 15:47:05    742146

Ah yes, if I happen to disagree with you then I'm not Irish at all, the official Sinn Fein line there. The irony in your comment 'you put your pocket first and i put my country first' given that you left your country for financial reasons did actually make me chuckle, alas I think the irony is lost on you. Was good debating this anyway, I'm glad the big bad UK has given you a job and opportunities where your own glorious country failed

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 15:49:54    742157

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2271

742146 hurlingspuds.
thank you ... u just saved me the trouble ... some people are lost ?

Apologies for being pendantic but are you answering a question or stating a fact?

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 10/08/2010 15:57:53    742182

Ta about 45% of the North is Catholic. About 18% of the North wants a united Ireland. Face facts, the majority of Catholics don't want a united Ireland. These stats show that it's people like you are in the minority even within the Catholic community and frankly show how laughable Dell's suggestion of a united Ireland in 8 years really is

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 16:00:48    742193

ogall.
read hurlingspuds post on reference to sruffys post.. am i clear now , i am honestly glad some people are not blinded.
maybe u only see what u want to see ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 10/08/2010 16:04:38    742208

pomeroyplunkett.
being realistic we are not going to see a united ireland in our life time [ not now anyway?].
the point i think is simple would u want a united ireland or not ... i would ... but i am afraid things have been put in place now , to keep that further away than ever .but still i would love to see the country united ... anyway there u go.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 10/08/2010 16:09:46    742224

Big bad UK??? Who said that? I really like the people of the UK and wouldn't be here otherwise. Putting words in my mouth is suitable to your argument but it's pretty easy to see through. Just to be clear: I am not a member of sinn féin and have never voted for sinn féin. I said you're british because that is the term i refer to people in northern ireland who are anti a 32 county republic of ireland - and in my opinion you are one of them because of money.

I didn't actually leave my country for financial reasons. More words in my mouth. I did find work here after moving here though and I like my work so I'll stay as long as it lasts. Also, you're not being unpatriotic in leaving your country to find work. It's a sad reality and if anything it relieves pressure on the state. Also, I think you misunderstand what irony means.

I never said ireland was glorious, I've actually tried repeatedly to tell you that there are many many problems with ireland. I am proud to be irish though and I wouldn't be anything else for any amount of money. A difference between you and I. I have worked in ireland previously, on no account would i ever say Ireland 'failed' me. I was educated there and got my first few career jobs there.

As a student people are prone to thinking that they're being savagely honest and frank in expressing opinions that are against the majority. Over time this mellows out thnkfully. I hope Ireland's economy improves to a point where it is deemed suitable to make you more money pomeroy. It must be an incredible existence to base all important decisions on how much it will gain you personally. Maybe we could have a collection here on HS to try and bribe pomeroy into being a republican?? I'll give a few quid.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/08/2010 16:24:10    742264

Why do you continually mention that I'm a student? You have a bizarre fascination with that fact, it's not that uncommon you know. So anyone who doesn't want a united Ireland at this moment you're labelling as British. I am Irish and proud to be so. I am also happy with the current status quo. Just to clarify you are labelling all the Catholics in the North, the majority of whom have no wish for a united Ireland, as British? You're also incorrect once more in that the views I'm expressing are of the majority, both in the North as a whole and within the Catholic community

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 16:43:06    742319

Any Irishman any where in the world would love there Homeland to be Re United as a One Nation Living in Peace and without the fear of Violence

JohnGrace1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 472 - 10/08/2010 16:47:38    742328

So anyone who doesn't want a united Ireland at this moment you're labelling as British. I am Irish and proud to be so.

i honestly dont think anyone can really claim to be irish if they are happy in the british sovereign state of "the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland" and want it to stay like that. how can you be irish if you recognise partition, hence you recognise the uk exists here, and then want the british irish division to stay for whatever reason. its a contradiction. how can you be proud to be irish, when you want the irish land you live on, to be british

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 10/08/2010 16:56:45    742354

I'm Irish because I was born and raised in Ireland, simple as that really. I must say I'm surprised by the Republicans on here. I thought Republicans believed that we are all Irish and equal on this island and yet here they are labelling those that don't share their beliefs (that's over 80% of the North) as British. I would say they're as small minded as the Unionist politicians who believe we have nothing in common with the Irish over the border

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 17:33:23    742427

Wow, I didn't realise that you're speaking on behalf of the catholics of northern ireland. Well done on your election. I disagree, I think the majority from the nationalist/republican tradition still want a united ireland.

Yes, I call all people who don't want to be called irish in northern ireland, british. You forfeit you're right to be called irish if you're happy to live under continued british rule.

Not fascinated with you being a student, just think that maybe you have a little bit of an immature attitude to money. I know plenty of college lads who would put their country before their pocket.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/08/2010 17:43:25    742445

Not a spokesperson for Catholics but I do know how to read, have done for a number of years actually. Recent polls have put the figure in the North that want a united Ireland at 18%. Presuming that this 18% is made up up exclusively of Catholics that's still a minority. Like I said I thought Republicans viewed everyone in Ireland as Irish and yet here you labelling the vast majority of us as British. I don't particularly care myself what someone from Cork with an ignorant and romanticised view of the Troubles thinks but I do find that interesting. Given that you view the vast majority of people in the North as British maybe you have more in common with the DUP than you think

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/08/2010 17:54:21    742465

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 704
Nationalism is a form of self identity, pride in the nation, its people, and its culture/heritage. With nationalism comes a form of hostility to foreign intervention in your country.
Does it allow any room for diversity of opinion as to what defines any of the above.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 10/08/2010 18:18:08    742511

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 704

741899 They're separate. Republicanism is an ideology that promotes anti-monarchism, equality, and democracy. It accepts all people in the nation, regardless of creed or colour. Nationalism is a form of self identity, pride in the nation, its people, and its culture/heritage. With nationalism comes a form of hostility to foreign intervention in your country.

I'll try it another way,,What is the Difference betwen them apart from the Monarchy?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 10/08/2010 18:20:04    742514

no ones labeling the nationalists in the north british. your putting words in peoples mouths pomery.

you say your irish born inireland, while in the next breath you say your living and want to be apart of the british uk. can you not see the contradiction. you cant have it both ways or are you a new type of amalgamated nationalist unionist.

you say your a proud irishman, but again in the next breath you say you want a "british state" to continue to exist in ireland. wheres the irish pride in that because i think i missed it.

any official sources to these figures btw. and if they are true most of these figures comes from a fear of violence, not because nationalists in the north want a british state existing in ireland

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 10/08/2010 18:21:21    742519

Who said i have a romanticised view of the troubles?? Who said I have any view on the troubles?? When did i refer to the troubles? Did the troubles convince you that your political loyalty would be informed by what would make you the most money??
Where i'm from doesn't matter. A jamaican is entitled to his view on the north!

What poll are you referring to?? I'd like to read that. I would say that everyone who doesn't want to be part of ireland need not be. I stand by that. I am for the reunification of my country by peaceful means, money will not inform my opinion on that. You can call yourself what you want obviously, you're free to do so but all i'm saying is that I count people as british if they want to remain ruled from whitehall like you do until whitehall is broke then presumably you'll try and find the next gravy train to take you in?!

Our own poll here on HS is overwhelmingly YES.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/08/2010 18:23:10    742525