Hey Paddy Mayo is hardly an economic powerhouse so maybe you should address that problem also.Some of the highest emigration rates in the whole country even through the economic good times.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2010 18:18:26    740109

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
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Hey Paddy Mayo is hardly an economic powerhouse so maybe you should address that problem also.Some of the highest emigration rates in the whole country even through the economic good times.

if you read the thread that i posted you will see that i debunked that myth.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 08/08/2010 18:26:04    740115

For those just joining the debate,are you,in principle,in favour of a united Ireland? Yes or no.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2010 18:26:45    740116

I'm not seeing you debunking anything Paddy but sure if you think you did then it must be true.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2010 18:32:09    740120

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
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740092 abhainn I'm well aware the North is dependant on Westminster. That's why I don't want to leave. What ROI wouldn't give to be subsidised by Westminster now eh

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The ROI has no need or wish to be subsidised by a Westminster government which is, relatively, as deeply indebted as we are, just with better means (so we believe) of getting out of that debt.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 09/08/2010 09:44:33    740421

YES. A united 32 county Ireland. An in my lifetime please.

Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 09/08/2010 11:26:53    740547

POMEROY
People who bleat about a United Ireland strangely don't seem to have morals when it comes to picking up their British money from the dole office or getting their pay cheque from Her Majesty's Civil Service. The UK doesn't want us but we don't want to leave

Your point of view is a Lazy one.
Everyone needs money to live on whether it's sterling, euro's or exchanging 2 chickens for a bag of rice!! Likewise, I don't hear folk from the unionist community ( who want to stay in UK ) who live & work in Dublin complaining about picking up their non sterling money!!

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 09/08/2010 12:09:11    740614

'The ROI has no need or wish to be subsidised by a Westminster government'

You seem unaware of the state that Ireland is in going by your posts, do a bit of research and you may be surprised.

Meath_bhoy you don't see the conflict in interests of wanting a united Ireland and yet being more than happy to take British money? Your comparison would only be valid if these Unionists working in Dublin wanted the whole of Ireland to be part of the UK. They don't, they are merely people working in a different country from their own

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 09/08/2010 12:44:57    740659

pomeroy, perhaps its you who needs to do some research - I am fully aware of the situation my country is in and faces every day. Judging by your ill-informed, generalised, peurile and inflammatory comments however, you are the deluded one

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 09/08/2010 13:08:26    740698

Burying your head in the sand won't make things better you know. Time to face reality me thinks, Ireland is not the land of milk and honey you're suggesting. Sadly you'll be faced with this reality when you reach employment age, hopefully things will be on the up by then and you won't be one of the hundreds of thousands who have to emigrate

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 09/08/2010 13:23:37    740727

abhainn

Pomeroy is a student I believe. Therefore he's no idea about the real world and has an inflated sense of his own opinion!

We we've all been there at some stage!!! He'll grow outta it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 09/08/2010 13:35:29    740751

Pomeroy, you're a unionist and I respect your difference in opinion. If you want to continue to swear loyalty to a foreign monarchy (or any monarchy for that matter) then that's you're business.

However, Ireland has a much much better social welfare system, better back to education opporunities and a way better salary base. The cost of living has come down and houses are finally affordable. You referred to the republic of ireland as "another country" from northern ireland. Will you then be so obnoxious as to tell me and other irish men & women here lucky enough to be born south of the border things about OUR country that plainly are not true.

I have had to leave to find work. I intend on coming back in the next few years to a rejuvenated and recovered ireland. To say that the north is a hopeless case and therefore depends on whitehall purse strings is so so defeatist and says alot of what you think of your countrymen (whatever country you think they're from).

I've met lots of sound people from both Britain and northern irish unionists who have been mad jealous and trying to find work in ireland over the past 20 years.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 09/08/2010 14:11:15    740829

YES YES YES YES

MuineachanAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 661 - 09/08/2010 14:16:14    740839

MesAmis
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739971 omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2150

739857 That is, a considerable amount of territory including its capital in Europe

Turkey's capital is not in Europe (Ankara is the capital not Istanbul) and only 3% of its territory is in Europe geographically speaking

Apologies MesAmis, that should have read Turkey's largest city, not capital city. It is that big, that it is the second largest city in Europe, population wise, and size wise is the biggest city in Europe. The city has over twice the population of our own wee island, therefore, in effect there are more Turks living in Istanbul and thus Europe than there are Irish. The area of Turkey in Europe is 23764sq miles whilst the Republic is 27,135sq miles. So in effect, as much of Turkey is in Europe as Ireland!!

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 09/08/2010 14:16:42    740841

I said Unionists would refer to ROI as another country. Ideologically I'm all for a united Ireland so I fail to see how I could be considered a Unionist. However from an economic point of view there is no doubt people are better living off in the UK than the Republic. Those posters who are claiming that the Republic is in good shape and isn't in a midst of a crisis are simply ignorant or lying. Hurlinspuds you extol the virtues of the Republic but yet you say you had to leave in order to find work. If it was the utopia you're suggesting why would you have to leave. There's no shame in admitting Ireland is in a bad way, most countries are at the minute. However Ireland does seem to be amongst the worst

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 09/08/2010 14:41:01    740870

hurlinspuds
County: Cork
Posts: 365

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Pomeroy, you're a unionist and I respect your difference in opinion. If you want to continue to swear loyalty to a foreign monarchy (or any monarchy for that matter) then that's you're business.

However, Ireland has a much much better social welfare system, better back to education opporunities and a way better salary base. The cost of living has come down and houses are finally affordable. You referred to the republic of ireland as "another country" from northern ireland. Will you then be so obnoxious as to tell me and other irish men & women here lucky enough to be born south of the border things about OUR country that plainly are not true.

I have had to leave to find work. I intend on coming back in the next few years to a rejuvenated and recovered ireland. To say that the north is a hopeless case and therefore depends on whitehall purse strings is so so defeatist and says alot of what you think of your countrymen (whatever country you think they're from).

I've met lots of sound people from both Britain and northern irish unionists who have been mad jealous and trying to find work in ireland over the past 20 years.

Its gonna take 15 years for the effects of this recession to fade away. Until then, we have 50% income tax to look forward to. And where is it all going? Roads? Nope. Schools? Nope. To struggling business? Nope. HSE? Nope. So where?... To Anglo of course!!

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 09/08/2010 14:42:30    740871

who said income tax was being raised??

I never said the republic was in a good way. I just have confidence in my country to succeed AGAIN. We've overcome way worse things in the past.

The thread is not about economics anyway pomeroy, it asked were you for a united ireland. You just said 'Yes' to that question. No need to qualify your yes.

Living in the UK, I feel very uneasy about how their going to be over the next few years. The last 'great' british company just shot itself in the leg by pouring oil into the sea. Britain's days as a dealbreaker and a heavyweight are numbered just like france. If they want a say in the future they better become a little more euro friendly.

I'm coming back to ireland in 5 years either way. I expect i'll pick up something, if not at least i can play hurling again and get my hands on a properly poured guinness.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 09/08/2010 15:21:17    740919

pomeroy you're a good one. I don't ever remember suggesting Ireland was a land of milk, I just disagreed with your infantile statement that all parts of the UK were better.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 09/08/2010 15:26:00    740926

Seems Scruffy isn't towing the party line here, to be fair he seems aware of the facts. I'll say a prayer for you boys that you can eventually pull yourself out of this mess

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 09/08/2010 15:35:48    740937

Pomeroy says he's a nationalist/republican and believes in Irish reunification. He also believes that everything in the UK is better than ireland in economic terms. Then when challenged he comes back with a clever one liner totally off the point.

Something tells me that someone isn't out of secondary school long.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 09/08/2010 15:53:30    740965