This is going to be a long day!

Omar d.It didn't matter what I thought the finer points to be.I know there are other issues surrounding this matter and thats why I specifically asked for them to be left aside for the purpose of the thread.I wanted an emotional response only.I didn't want to get into all this detail at all.Now I agree with you that the points you raise are extremely important,but they are not important in relation to this thread.I merely want to know if you are for a united Ireland in principle,yes or no?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2010 18:09:14    739456

07/08/2010 18:09:14
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 420

739456 This is going to be a long day!
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Well you're not helping yourself - I gave you my answer at 10.56 this morning if thats all you wanted

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 07/08/2010 18:14:44    739463

I was not asking you again but merely reaffirming the the nature of the thread. Thankyou all the same.Your very qualified yes has been noted.Also,your desire to see that 1,000,000 unionists are not forced into anything is admirable.Do you defend the right of nationalists not to be a part of the Uk with equal vigor?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2010 18:28:50    739476

So what are we looking at here:
Maybe 70% - unwavering and undoubted yes.
20% qualified yes.
10% - No.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 07/08/2010 18:59:17    739507

Would seen so hurlinspuds.Still need to see the votes of many others though.I am starting to see a certain trend that I will comment on later!!!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2010 19:12:18    739519

07/08/2010 18:28:50
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 421

739476 I was not asking you again but merely reaffirming the the nature of the thread. Thankyou all the same.Your very qualified yes has been noted.Also,your desire to see that 1,000,000 unionists are not forced into anything is admirable.Do you defend the right of nationalists not to be a part of the Uk with equal vigor?
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Yes they should have the same democratic rights however I cannot re-write history so the staus quo is what it is and the reality is that change has to be a slow progression from where we are rather than turning it on its head - The other fact is that they are the majority which is where the democratic issue arises.

Being honest the only option I see is long and slow move towards a middle ground because even if nationalists were in a majority in 100 years time
they are unlikely to be a majority east of the bann so I would imagine that would give rise to issues, so unless me move away from the concept of unionist and nationalist and move towards a Left a right and a centre we will always have the same stand off. People should be better worrying about high taxes/Low taxes good Public Service system v Privatatisation etc.

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 07/08/2010 19:14:08    739522

freetaker1
County: Limerick
Posts: 209

I cant for the life of me understand why people up there think they are British , because the rest of the Kingdom consider them to be Irish.

You cant or you dont want to?

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 07/08/2010 20:08:21    739592

the lad who runs with the hare and the hound is back .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 07/08/2010 20:10:07    739593

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2878

739316 The British Government and most of the people on the big islands of Britain would drop Northern Ireland into the Republic's lap without a second thought. Northern Ireland means nothing to most Brits but strife and bombs and a money-sink. Northern Ireland has nothing of interest for Britain. Its got a busted economy (despite huge handouts) and a crap workforce, only so-so scenery with a few interesting bits like the Giant's Causeway. Not much else really. Its culture is divisive and fixated on religious hatred and a mythological history.

So the British Government and the majority of the British people want shot of the place, but they can't dump it for free on the Republic - why not?

1 Because consistently, the majority protestant, loyalist population of Northern Ireland vote to stay British - that's democracy and its no different than the case of Gibraltar.

2 The Republic doesn't want the Northern counties - they're populated with the wrong kind of people and they don't have anything to offer economically or culturally.

So everybody plays the same old game - the romantic farce of a united Ireland. But when it comes down to it, there's only a few idealistic nutters that really want it to happen. Everybody else just takes advantage - especially the organised criminals for which the Northern Ireland paramilitary organisations are merely fronts.

Why should the British be allowed to get rid of it for free? They robbed and plundered whatever it had and so should have to pay the heavy price. I have always wondered why the British let the south go so handy in the end up. It would appear that the main industry at the time was ship building and linen and guess where that was based? The 3 counties that essentially covered these industries were unviable so 3 more were added having carefully considered the religious breakdown to ensure a Unionist majority. The religious hatred was not only encouraged, but actively espoused by the British to keep their hold on these industries.

The Republic don't want the North? I don't give a flying fiddler what the Republic wants. I and any other on this island have a right to be Irish. Populated with the wrong kind of people? Get over yourself. The republic has a higher crime rate than the North and a higher instance of unsocial behaviour. I remember your wee country in the 1980's when you were mad for the Northern tourists as youse hadn't two brass farthings. As much as we have been insulated from the recession, we were also insulated from the boom time as well. What is your evidence of a crap workforce? Surely the over inflated wages for your own workforce that helped cause the recession. A greed abounds in the south that hopefully will be abated by your latest dust up wth poverty

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 07/08/2010 20:32:20    739621

well said omagh.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 07/08/2010 20:46:47    739643

Omar d. you are right,the unionist people are a small majority in the north,but since it is a false and manufactured majority then it has little credence,if you are of a nationalist persuasion.I know its how it is and we can't re-write history, and the events that led us to this situation.However,I do find it a little antagonizing when people feel they need to bend over backwards in the pursuit of being seen to be mindful and supportive of this false majority,while never giving much thought to the feelings of the nationalist people who found themselves cut of from the rest of the country by that damned "border".The only way to right that wrong is by a united Ireland.Again,hopefully achieved peacefully.If the conditions are right,which they will be soon I believe,the british would be glad to leave.There would be serious opposition from a sizeable number of unionists but they would just have to be faced down if necessary.Remember that Carson and the UVF did much sabre rattling when "threatened" with Home Rule,it would be a time for nationalists to show solidarity with those in the north who want a united Ireland.Could armed conflict be avoided in such a scenario?If the process evolves organically then I think the unionists would not be surprised and would have to accept the wishes of the majority of people on this island.They should be given sincere assurances that their own distinct customs and culture would be protected,and as a sizeable minority they would be politically influential,probably forming an opposition with Fine Gael.Happy Days for everybody!!!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2010 20:47:58    739645

Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 410

739407 07/08/2010 16:22:25
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 416

739323 the next time I want your opinion though,I will give it to you.Excuse me,I will tell you what it is.Ah hem,sorry,I will ask you for it.
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I'm a republican however your views on freedom of speech verge more on certain type of nationalism as put forward by a party mentioned by a poster above - the likes of which i'm not in favour of.

thats nothing to be proud of

Dublin09 (Dublin) - Posts: 433 - 07/08/2010 21:01:42    739657

JuanVeron
County: Westmeath
Posts: 1755

739453 Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 676

David Cameron actually wants to let Turkey into the Union. Long live Nicholas Sarkozy!!

What's wrong with Turkey in the EU?
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Simple, Turkey is not a European state, not geographically, politically, socially, economically nor culturally, in fact Israel have more in common with the EU than Turkey.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 07/08/2010 21:31:41    739683

07/08/2010 21:01:42
Dublin09
County: Dublin
Posts: 411

739657 Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 410

739407 07/08/2010 16:22:25
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 416

739323 the next time I want your opinion though,I will give it to you.Excuse me,I will tell you what it is.Ah hem,sorry,I will ask you for it.
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I'm a republican however your views on freedom of speech verge more on certain type of nationalism as put forward by a party mentioned by a poster above - the likes of which i'm not in favour of.

thats nothing to be proud of

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clearly my fault but ive missed the point
Do you wish to make one - nothing to be proud of - Disliking nationalism or being in favour of freedom of speech ?

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 07/08/2010 21:47:59    739707

I was curious about that also.I then assumed as my remark was tongue in cheek it must have been for the other fella.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2010 21:58:12    739726

07/08/2010 21:58:12
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 425

739726 I was curious about that also.I then assumed as my remark was tongue in cheek it must have been for the other fella.

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I wouldn't try to rationalise it - If I said that Dublin were Great Toma would disagree
In any case I find having a stalker a bit of a novelty

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 08/08/2010 09:18:06    739743

madasbutter
County: Mayo
Posts: 821

You would want to be more careful with the log ins Runrua

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 08/08/2010 09:32:47    739747

JuanVeron
County: Westmeath
Posts: 1755


What's wrong with Turkey in the EU?

Turkey is in Asia. Its government is influenced by Islamo-fasicsts, and you will have 70 million extra people in the union, who will work for a lot less than you will. Thats why we dont need any more cheap labour to populate the factories/industries, because jobs are already being lost to cheap labour economies.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 08/08/2010 10:19:46    739759

Paddy,

I think you are right !! Ruanua is back, welcome back Rua !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2010 10:41:44    739768

Yes, and if every nationalist family has 4 children in 30 years, they will be the majority!! :P

Billy_The_Kid (Limerick) - Posts: 63 - 08/08/2010 11:27:56    739788