Agreeing with your assessment of the british military ta32.Maybe I might have missed something?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 20:21:24    746250

seanie boy.

sorry maybe u picked me up wrong ... when u said about naivety and stupidy ... thats what i meant when i said both.
sorry for the confusion.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/08/2010 20:38:56    746259

Sound ta32.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 15/08/2010 09:40:02    746311

In an idealistic world, yes. I'd love to have a united Ireland but I doubt it will ever happen.
Its funny that recently I met Unionist from limerick. He felt that we would be better off to unite with all of Britain. I really didn't know what to make of it, but after reading this he might not be alone. What I want to know is if they don't want a united Ireland do they want to be British. I just think that after everything that has happened in the north I am not sure if they want to be a united Ireland. But id never consider anyone from the north any less Irish than myself.

The peoples republic, bah!

Sico_Squrial (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 15/08/2010 15:59:20    746445

John Hume used to say that Unionists were very good at telling us what they were against BUT not so good at telling us what they are for. To be honest I don't think they know what they are and consequently are very insecure. At the northern end of the new Newry road Unionists/Loyalists have festooned lights and lamposts with Union Jacks, Orange Order flags, Loyalist paramiltary flags, Scottish saltire, etc. It is the most pathetic thing one could see and shouts out "WE ARE VERY INSECURE" at everyone. To a certain extent Northern Nationalists are a wee bit insecure because there is still a feeling that the South sold them out in 1921 and 1969 but Northern Catholics know they are Irish, probably more so than any of the other 3 provinces. If ANYONE has the righ to use the term 'original Irish' it is the province of Ulster where the language, religion, rebellion against colonialism and the music ALL have their roots.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 15/08/2010 17:49:25    746528

bad.monkey
County: USA
Posts: 2335

"artisan think you are assuming something that i never said. i absolutely hold the 'old' IRA and the modern IRA in the exact same esteem."

That's fair enough, I apologise for the misinterpretation of your previous post. I also hold them in the same esteem.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 15/08/2010 17:55:55    746533

This is hardly a debate to see has the right to say they're more Irish than the next. Were all born or raised in Ireland, North and South.

Sico_Squrial (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 15/08/2010 18:18:32    746547

I agree totally sico I was just using this to counteract the nonsense that some foolish people on HS spout that Ulster people are not Irish. That is the most factually and historically incorrect nonsense that anyone could say and demonstrates a real lack of knowledge about this island.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 15/08/2010 18:50:01    746565

Ireland, north and south should definitely be united...... under British rule, like the glory days pre 1921!!!!

Pedrito (Dublin) - Posts: 1111 - 16/08/2010 14:00:29    747084

So do you think everyone in the Republic in the midst of a recession would be happy to give 10% of their wages to incorporate N.I.? I read a report that it would cost every man, woman and child in the Republic £2000 a year each to accommodate N.I., do you think everyone would be fine with that?

PomeroyPlunkett hasnt something very similar to this happened already without too much revolt? I think it was called NAMA!!!! What was the title of the report you refer to, who was the author etc? I would be interested in reading it.

The fact is no-one can say for sure what the economic impact will be when there is a United Ireland. I'm not an economist but I do believe two seperate economies on a small island makes very little sense. In my humble opinion I think both NI and ROI could only benefit from the removal of the border, perhaps not in the immediate short term but most definately in the longer term. The EU is built upon the premise that economic borders should be removed, why should our island not be the same?

Perhaps a poster with some economic background could comment on all this.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 16/08/2010 14:39:39    747132

Well said Goodfella.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/08/2010 19:18:50    747528

Goodfella, Tir
County: All
Posts: 453

Well said, you're correct about operating two different economies on an island this size, its ridiculous.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 16/08/2010 19:53:21    747578

'I'm not an economist but I do believe two seperate economies on a small island makes very little sense.'

The British economy is the 6th largest in the World. The Irish is the 38th. Your argument seems to be all 32 counties should share the same poor economy instead of 6 of these counties sharing in one of the biggest in the World. It would be like saying there's no reason the two Korea's should have difference economies so South Korea should just share North Korea's despite South Korea being in a much healthier state

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 16/08/2010 20:16:11    747597

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1213

747597 'I'm not an economist but I do believe two seperate economies on a small island makes very little sense.'

The British economy is the 6th largest in the World. The Irish is the 38th. Your argument seems to be all 32 counties should share the same poor economy instead of 6 of these counties sharing in one of the biggest in the World. It would be like saying there's no reason the two Korea's should have difference economies so South Korea should just share North Korea's despite South Korea being in a much healthier state


More of the same from pomeroy.
Size of economy doesn't matter. Health of economy matters alot. I'd rather be joined to luxembourg than Spain. Irish enconomy south of the border isn't too healthy but I believe a recovery to be on the cards, slow and painful though it will be. The British economy is also in a poor way. Recession lasted longer there than most other major economies. Comparing the economic situation to the Korean peninsula...are you actually serious???
Having said all this, I honestly believe that Pomeroy, as he has gone on record as saying, is motivated solely by money so if he believes he'll be out of pocket by reunifying his country then I believe him. Alot of previous generations gave their lives for the freedom of our country, I'm glad that my generation just has to give some money, some of us are willing to do it.

Goodfella, excellent point about NAMA. We could have mongolia join the irish economy for that kind of money.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 16/08/2010 20:45:02    747628

'Having said all this, I honestly believe that Pomeroy, as he has gone on record as saying, is motivated solely by money so if he believes he'll be out of pocket by reunifying his country then I believe him'

I honestly think you've made that exact same point about 10 times on this thread. I'm sure people are able to read my comments themselves without you providing a running commentary. I make a point and then you immediately post saying Pomeroy thinks and then repeat the point that I had just made. It's actually really strange

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 17/08/2010 13:16:32    748045

The North would dominate completely!

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 17/08/2010 15:46:45    748313

You're not really operating 2 separate economies on a small island since one of those economies is intrinsically tied to and significantly propped up by a very large economy across the water.

Also with regards to the state of the Irish recovery I think you'll find we're a long way from the sort of recovery you think is on the cards hurlingspuds. Having caught the boat myself I can tell you the recession in the uk will end and the subsequent economic recovery will arrive here many years before the green shoots are seen in Ireland.

I dont like to quote second hand figures but at a cost of £2000 (if that is correct) for every man woman and child, the real cost to the working man (considering the you ng and unemployed cannot contribute) could be as much as 3,4,5 times as much as that. The cutbacks in public spending have been made and made again, wages have been slashed to the bare bones and yes NAMA is further piling the misery on the nations purses but if you think that sort of money is available to fulfill our lofty notions then we are all dreaming. Most people dont have a £100 to put towards it and they're not being tight or money orientated.

I for one would love to see a united Ireland but not in a long long time will we see it.

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 17/08/2010 15:50:11    748323

'Most people dont have a £100 to put towards it and they're not being tight or money orientated.'

Didn't you know that if financially you're not in a position to contribute Hurlinspuds doesn't think you're Irish? Nice to see some realism anyway

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 17/08/2010 16:16:40    748398

pomeroy, you deride me for commenting on your posts but you're allowed to - you just misquoted me. I also like to refer back to the fact that I resorted to name calling, I've tried to argue the point, something I expect everyone to do yet you have called me both ignorant and stupid. I'd prefer to stick to my methods than resort to that. How about answering the points in my previous post regarding economics.

If you're going to reply to this post how about telling us why you resorted to name calling despite you saying at another point that someone who does this obviously doesn't have the wherewithall to argue the point.

I really don't mind if you don't want to reunite ireland because you're afraid of the fiscal risks, I think anyone who wants to call themselves irish should want a united ireland and should be willing to do all they possibly can bar violence to achieve that.

I don't expect you to answer this, it's easier for you to misquote me, make a sweeping statement, bring up the troubles, make an unrealistic comparison.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 17/08/2010 17:30:12    748533

I'm not deriding you for commenting on my posts, in a debate that's to be expected. I'm deriding you for the rather odd behaviour of constantly summarising what I have said and then saying this is what Pomeroy thinks. People are more than capable of reading my posts and getting my point of view without you repeating it

'yet you have called me both ignorant and stupid'

Another comment you have mentioned for about the 10th time. I'm sorry that this hurt you so badly, I didn't realise you were so sensitive that an anonymous comment on an internet forum could affect you so much. My humble apologies for the deep distress this has obviously caused. As Corrxxx has stated there are many people who are struggling who would not be able to contribute shall we say to a united Ireland and you could say are not doing 'all they possibly can'. In your eyes this means they are not Irish. I don't know who you think you are that you can tell someone if they're Irish or not, a misplaced sense of importance if ever I saw one. Thankfully I doubt many people care what some jumped up Cork native thinks

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 17/08/2010 18:22:42    748583