Well hurlinspuds I'm getting the results as being approximately 32 for a United Ireland and 6 against.Poetry in those figures for sure! Some people joined the debate but didn't give an opinion and others were simply too ambivalent to be put in to either bracket.If anybody else wants to go through the threads and double check,be my guest.I think there's life in this thread yet and others will weigh in.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 11:27:29    745898

BadMonkey says-'The difference is that terrorists target civilians,soldiers do not'. This is one of the most stupid statements I have ever read in my entire life pertaining to any matter,bar none.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 11:56:48    745914

Seanie, I also quoted that sentence from badmonkey. Anyone who thinks the british army never targetted civilians or helped others who were killing civilians obviously has no business giving such strong opinions on here. Ridiculous stuff.

I also have a problem with saying that you hold the old ira and new ira (whatever those terms really mean) in the same esteem. How can anyone equate a fight for independence in 1920 with the thugs there now. It's like saying the car bomb in derry last week was by the united irishmen!!

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 14/08/2010 12:12:08    745921

hurling spuds

I always think with the conflict in the North that you can equate the old IRA and the Provos, but only for a short period at the beginning of the 70's. They were idealistic, cornered, and very much oppressed, both politically and phyically. The demand for a defence organisation was strong and I think just. However, they wavered from those lines after a few years, and, as you say, became thugs.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 14/08/2010 12:28:40    745933

Hurlispuds,I noticed a Dublin poster said never to the united Ireland request but finished by saying take Cork too and make it 7 counties! I think he was getting worked up over your upcoming football semi-final.Sure god love him,the crater!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 12:32:26    745936

Seanie, people tend to forget that cork is already an independent Peoples republic ;-)

Dubs are usually good banter but they've something against cork people. I don't like when they say "ah you're from down the country" as well because to them down the country could mean derry or it could be killarney!!

abhainn, as I've already said on this thread, I don't like to have strong opinions on the troubles but my belief is that when a community is being burned out of their homes and persecuted like the catholics in the late 60s and early 70s then protecting yourself with force is understandable and even admirable. I think the brits played into the hands of the extremists in their reaction and the fact that the security forces had a free reign. How many lads joined the IRA in the immediate aftermath of bloody sunday?? the hunger strikes?? etc etc. That's why I'm so annoyed by the likes of bad monkey saying that the british army were not terrorists or did not target civilians. They've been proved to have done and not just in ireland.
It took terrible bombings like omagh and enniskillen to undo the damage done by the british army and their collusion and make people realise that violence was not beneficial.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 14/08/2010 12:58:29    745963

32_4_1
County: Meath
Posts: 2617

should we cut of kerry, cork etc too, if it makes it cheaper for 24 countys to live

Yes.

We'll keep Galway for the races and Wexford for the strawberries.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 14/08/2010 16:19:11    746090

Too many annoying West Brits on here.What do you think MesAmis?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 16:52:45    746117

seanie, you've done it now. Saying west brits is a big no no to many people. Having said that though, I slag all my dublin friends about being from the pale. When we're heading down the motorway an hour outside dublin i say welcome to ireland lads...

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 14/08/2010 17:05:14    746123

What would make it really cheaper would be if all the West Brits left the country and went to their motherland across the Irish Sea.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 17:12:25    746127

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 464

Plenty of west brits alright. South Dublin is full of them, Northern Ireland may as well be as far away as South Africa to them.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 14/08/2010 17:30:44    746135

the thing is lads the british army are always coming across in the media [ british of course ] how well trained and professional outfit they are , but they seem to forget the atrocities they have committed in the name of queen and country , people come on here and talk about i.r.a atrocities ... but let me say this , who created the i.r.a... wether it was the i.r.a of old our new ... go back to early conflicts when before we won a election and it was dimissed followed by a war of independence .... if the people would been allowed to have their say ... we would have avoided this . the civil rights movement were exucuted by the paras because the world were starting to see our plight .... then what followed was resistance because the voice of innocents were not allowed to be heard .... so please for christ sake how people cannot see what the british armed forces for what they really are , then they are lost ... they are nothing but imperial thugs ... which they still have the mentality britianna rules the waves ...

YES AND IRELAND SHOULD BE UNITED AND FREE.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/08/2010 17:46:01    746142

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2310

746142 the thing is lads the british army are always coming across in the media [ british of course ] how well trained and professional outfit they are , but they seem to forget the atrocities they have committed in the name of queen and country , people come on here and talk about i.r.a atrocities ... but let me say this , who created the i.r.a... wether it was the i.r.a of old our new ... go back to early conflicts when before we won a election and it was dimissed followed by a war of independence .... if the people would been allowed to have their say ... we would have avoided this . the civil rights movement were exucuted by the paras because the world were starting to see our plight .... then what followed was resistance because the voice of innocents were not allowed to be heard .... so please for christ sake how people cannot see what the british armed forces for what they really are , then they are lost ... they are nothing but imperial thugs ... which they still have the mentality britianna rules the waves ...

YES AND IRELAND SHOULD BE UNITED AND FREE.

Hear Hear.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/08/2010 18:05:26    746160

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 464

746117 Too many annoying West Brits on here.What do you think MesAmis?

Was the West Brits comment actually directed at myself or was there two distinct points to your post? My post was a joke in case you didn't realise.

The whole West Brit thing stems from what some people believe about what it is to be Irish. Some people take an extremely narrow minded view about what 'Irishness' is and thus we get people referring to other Irish people as 'West Brits'. Same with people claiming that any people from the six are less Irish.

People can be very narrow minded about what they think being Irish is.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 14/08/2010 18:23:24    746175

surely the west brit thing is a joke!!? It's not actually a derogatory term used is it??

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 14/08/2010 18:43:40    746191

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 464

745914
BadMonkey says-'The difference is that terrorists target civilians,soldiers do not'. This is one of the most stupid statements I have ever read in my entire life pertaining to any matter,bar none.

I wouldnt be one bit surprised for him to say this. Typical of his pro-brit stance.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 14/08/2010 18:52:23    746202

Anyone making tea?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/08/2010 19:55:40    746232

Well its "a joke with a jag"as we would say up my way.Lol anyone?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 19:55:46    746233

Exactly right ta32.Some on hear would sicken ye with their nonsense about them being fair and evenhanded, naivety bordering on stupidity.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/08/2010 20:10:49    746241

seanieboy.
excatly .... or both.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/08/2010 20:14:54    746245