It's an inevitability. The Yanks, the Brits and the rest of NATO want it. Ireland is very important strategically in the wider context and one united island would suit a hell of a lot of people internationally. The important test will come when Irish Nationalists in the North hit 50+1% population wise and the calls for unity become very strong as young Northern Catholics exert their identity and culture. Believe me the big problems are in about 20/30 years but it's like an avalanche, once it starts to roll you won't stop it despite what ogall, dhorse, monkey and the rest of the partitionists say.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 12/08/2010 16:18:56    744467

"And you dare to call me a terrorist
as you look down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you have done.
You have plundered many nations,DIVIDED,many lands
You have terrorized their people,you ruled with an iron hand,
and you brought this reign of terror to my land".


Got it wrong first time!
Good debating lads,keep it up.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/08/2010 16:20:26    744470

personally, i think the normalisation process thats been put in place in the north at the moment, is doing serious damage to a united ireland

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 12/08/2010 16:26:31    744483

32_4_1
County: Meath
Posts: 2602

744483 personally, i think the normalisation process thats been put in place in the north at the moment, is doing serious damage to a united ireland

would you be against normalisation?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 12/08/2010 16:34:21    744505

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2421

744467 It's an inevitability. The Yanks, the Brits and the rest of NATO want it. Ireland is very important strategically in the wider context and one united island would suit a hell of a lot of people internationally. The important test will come when Irish Nationalists in the North hit 50+1% population wise and the calls for unity become very strong as young Northern Catholics exert their identity and culture. Believe me the big problems are in about 20/30 years but it's like an avalanche, once it starts to roll you won't stop it despite what ogall, dhorse, monkey and the rest of the partitionists say.


I'm neither a Partitionist, Unionist west Brit or Nationalist, but i know you need to put what you think is a derogatory handle on anyone that disagrees with your views and thats fine. I, like my comrade Ta, am a Very Patriotic republican.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 12/08/2010 16:41:35    744519

NOT A CHANCE. NEVER AND YOU CAN HAVE CORK TOO. AND SING SONGS ABOUTS THE 7 COUNTIES.

THEHILLISALIVE (Dublin) - Posts: 25 - 12/08/2010 16:42:42    744523

Not so 32

Anglo Irish agreement, Downing St Declaration, Good Friday Agreement ALL merely stepping stones and phases on the way to inevitable unity but done so as not to frighten Unionists. The British have already stated that withdrawal and renuification WILL happen. As I said once Northern Nationalists hit 50% +1 then that's when we could see more serious trouble as Unionists get nervous and defensive. I think the UN will eventually have to play a part in the form of peacekeeping.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 12/08/2010 16:49:31    744539

"Patriotic republican" dhorse? What, in the Michael McDowell sense where he says it and everyone laughs?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 12/08/2010 16:52:43    744544

I suppose it might do away with the pathetic civil war voting patterns we have in the south.... then again you don't want fianna fail in the north... seriously, you don't.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 12/08/2010 16:53:40    744550

Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 614

744550 I suppose it might do away with the pathetic civil war voting patterns we have in the south.... then again you don't want fianna fail in the north... seriously, you don't.

It would be good enough for them and their united Ireland. Although they still vote on a civil war patterns dating back to 1690, between 2 monarchs at that

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 12/08/2010 17:00:55    744557

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2423

744544 "Patriotic republican" dhorse?

That was VERY patriotic republican,, A la Ta

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 12/08/2010 17:02:18    744560

People seem to be equating Catholic with Nationalist. There may well be a Catholic majority in the future but to assume that they will all vote for a united Ireland is absolute folly, I'd say around half the Catholic population would. The only way to secure a united Ireland is to convince people who are currently against it of it's benefits. Those that think it will happen in our lifetime are living in complete denial

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 12/08/2010 17:06:18    744566

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 2423

744539 Not so 32

Anglo Irish agreement, Downing St Declaration, Good Friday Agreement ALL merely stepping stones and phases on the way to inevitable unity but done so as not to frighten Unionists. The British have already stated that withdrawal and renuification WILL happen. As I said once Northern Nationalists hit 50% +1 then that's when we could see more serious trouble as Unionists get nervous and defensive. I think the UN will eventually have to play a part in the form of peacekeeping.

what im really trying to get at is, over time even nationalists will start to think (already are), lets just leave it the way it is. theres a lot more catholics leaning towards staying in the union, than protestants wanting a united ireland. if it ever comes to a referendum in say 30 years or so, and the north continues the way its going, when people go to vote, realistically a lot will vote to stay in the uk to save hassle, and the fact they wont want another troubles on their hands. fear of violence really. not only that, but the media up in the north is still sly'ly unionist imo and its easy to see this from even watching the news in bbc 1/2 ni. it gets shoved in nationalist peoples faces on a daily basis, and does turn people over time. they're (unionist media) always banging on about this "new northern ireland" which is all well and good for them as its still the way they want things, and cant seem to see why nationalists maybe wouldnt want this, as they want a united country. this "new northern ireland" that the media is trying to convey in the north is all very shady to me

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 12/08/2010 17:24:35    744593

I think this 'new Northern Ireland' simply is a place where you can walk the streets without fear of being shot and bombed, except that is by men with the same beliefs as a number of people in this debate

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 12/08/2010 17:32:16    744602

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1173

744602 I think this 'new Northern Ireland' simply is a place where you can walk the streets without fear of being shot and bombed, except that is by men with the same beliefs as a number of people in this debate

ye put words in my mout pomery, even though that wasnt what i was getting at. the media you idiot

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4211 - 12/08/2010 17:35:26    744614

Goodfella I view all those who killed and continue to do so as terrorists, in no way do I view Loyalists as being more legitimate as Republicans or vice versa

Not being pedantic, just want to clarify, do you view the British army and the police-force who killed people as terrorists also as per the point I made previously?


PomeroyPlunkett still waiting on an answer to the above, hope you're not avoiding the question.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 12/08/2010 17:38:46    744618

32_4_1
County: Meath
Posts: 2606

744614 PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1173

744602 I think this 'new Northern Ireland' simply is a place where you can walk the streets without fear of being shot and bombed, except that is by men with the same beliefs as a number of people in this debate

ye put words in my mout pomery, even though that wasnt what i was getting at. the media you idiot

Is it necessary to resort to name calling?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 12/08/2010 17:45:16    744631

dhorse.
i see u are at it again .. cannot even take one thread or topic without interest , without trying to make a mockery of posters who have a decent argument put forward.. anyway u ever told u ye were a republican.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 12/08/2010 17:48:50    744633

Sorry Goodfella, I missed your original question. I wouldn't class the British Army as terrorists no, they were there to try to keep the peace. However regiments such as the UDR you could present a strong case that they were indeed. Of course there was also a large number of British soldiers who should have been brought to justice for the actions they carried out and it's a disgrace that they weren't. Being a soldier shouldn't mean you exempt from facing the consequences of your actions

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 12/08/2010 17:50:53    744636

ulsterman.
i know what u are saying ulsterman , but i am afraid we are not going to see a united ireland [ not in our lifetime anyway ] especially if a certain party claims to hold still their goals of achieving .. when clearly they have lost their way in the process of being thee republican party in ireland.
i want to see a united ireland .. i am a proud irishman and nationalist .. but we are further away from it than ever i am afraid .. so sad it is .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 12/08/2010 17:54:07    744639