westrules that is trying to belittle the best manager Ireland has ever had. Our manager was putting forward a valid point which others are not intillegent enough to think of. Yes, I think that the provincial champions should get a second chance and if they did maybe the likes of Dublin, Cork and if all counties, Kildare would not be there and it would restore credability the championship once again.

Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts: 199 - 03/08/2010 10:58:30    733738

Up4it.
County: Tyrone
Posts: 15

733738 westrules that is trying to belittle the best manager Ireland has ever had. Our manager was putting forward a valid point which others are not intillegent enough to think of. Yes, I think that the provincial champions should get a second chance and if they did maybe the likes of Dublin, Cork and if all counties, Kildare would not be there and it would restore credability the championship once again.

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that whole post is laughable! Harte is an amazing manager. But he is not the best manager Ireland has ever had. Not even close! I didn't realise the championship had no credibility anymore! Just thought that there were four results last weekend that could have gone one way, but then went another! Get over it!

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 03/08/2010 11:04:49    733752

I honestly dont see much wrong with the system. There is never going to be a system that everyone likes. I hate making references to soccer but harte does remind me of Arsène Wenger in that he finds ways to take the pressure off his team by whining. Smart fella.

I hope down win sam but really Im happy with any team now. Wouldnt mind the dubs except I hate the way they'd get the full newspaper dedicated to them :P

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 03/08/2010 11:09:54    733758

Hi Tyrone poster.
That is a bit of a cocky statement. Are you saying that the championship is now some kind of a down-graded competition because the provincil champions have exited?

cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1016 - 03/08/2010 11:14:55    733768

Well done to Dublin and Down. Thanks to both of them the Sam Maguire will not be going to Tyrone or Kerry for the first time in 8 years and is finally going to someone else - in anyone's language that has to be a good thing for the game. I was pleased to see Kildare beat Meath too, Meath probably deserved what they got and sorry that Roscommon couldn't do the impossible against Cork.

As a neutral and I suppose a bit of a romantic, I hope Kildare win it out now, Dublin, Cork and Down all have titles from the 90s whereas Kildare's last title was in 1928.

But good luck to all, regardless.

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 03/08/2010 11:17:09    733771

Yes and maybe the last few years the dubs would have gotten a second chance

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/08/2010 11:17:57    733773

Up4it.
County: Tyrone
Posts: 15

Yes, I think that the provincial champions should get a second chance and if they did maybe the likes of Dublin, Cork and if all counties, Kildare would not be there and it would restore credability the championship once again.


Fair enough. Dublin won Leinster four fives time in a row and exited in three quarter finals and two semis without getting a second chance and would have been laughed out the door if we'd asked for one. AND, when Dublin put a motion to Congress this year proposing that very thing it got little or no support. What way did Tyrone vote on that???

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 03/08/2010 11:18:55    733774

I feel the championship format is weighed against the cream of the GAA and as Mickey Harte has said, it is unfair to give losers an advantage through a second run while the best four county teams in the provinces are discriminated against. It doesn't make sense to give advantage to one grouping while at the same time dis-advantaging another grouping. Anyway, irrespective of what others think on here, the RTE poll is showing support for Mickey Harte's call.

Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts: 199 - 03/08/2010 11:32:05    733797

This is all bull**** from managers trying to make excuses....

An example of conflicting statements from losing managers:-
1 - If you have to play every week for several weeks and lose you are too tired
2 - If you dont have a match for three weeks and then lose it is too long a gap
3 - If you have to play a week after losing a match and then lose again there is not enough time to recover
4 - If you win the province and lose in the quarter-finals you want another chance

If this logic was followed to its conclusion the final would be replayed endlessly !!!!!


ONLY ONE TEAM CAN WIN THE ALL IRELAND no matter how many chances, second chances, front doors, back doors or trapdoors you have in operation!!!!
There are 31 losers every year and its time they got used to it.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 03/08/2010 11:52:44    733833

Having watched all four games I think this is the closest all Ireland in years, Dublin , Kildare, Cork and Down are all capable of winning Sam and I am really looking forward to the semi finals.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 03/08/2010 12:13:15    733883

Common sense Big Sacks, but unfortunately there are plenty of people not willing to engage their brains before they engage their mouths.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 03/08/2010 12:24:13    733906

BIG SACKS it's interesting what you are saying. Does that mean tgat you disagree with your own county manager, Mickey Harte? Do you think that he should stepdown?

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 271 - 03/08/2010 12:30:42    733923

It used to be an old truism that if you had no midfield you would win nothing.......

Is it any co-incidence that all four remaining contenders are strong in that sector.
The four losers last weekend were all weak in that dept. most notably Tyrone and Kerry.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 03/08/2010 12:39:50    733941

I would wonder say if kildare got through to the final and won how the stewards would be able to prevent the fans getting onto the pitch! Id say 95% of kildare people have never seen them win an All_ireland and the stewards would have a tough job trying to keep them off

JimboK (Kildare) - Posts: 215 - 03/08/2010 12:41:23    733943

Well said BIG SACKS, it's impossible to please everyone...I thought the main reason for the qualifiers is to make sure that all teams get more than 1 c'ship game having given 5 or 6 months serious commitment preparing for c'ship, it was unfair that their year was over after just 70 minutes action. That was fair enough and the system has worked well. Kerry and Tyrone went through the qualifiers the last 2 years and won it but this year they were provincial winners but got knocked out, thats just the way it goes!both Tyrone and Kerry had 4/5 championship games so I don't think they can complain, it has to be knock-out at QF stage.

JGiles (Limerick) - Posts: 88 - 03/08/2010 12:56:26    733980

JGiles

I understood when introduced that the one and only purpose of the qualifiers was for to ensure teams got more than one match.

There was never any mention of teams having to be beaten twice before they were eliminated.


Kerry and Tyrone have done well out of it and should not be complaining.
I hope Kildare or Down win out now.... Dublin and Cork have won plenty over the years.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 03/08/2010 13:43:39    734094

Re; RTE Poll

I see there is growing support for Mickey Harte call for a second chance. These are the last results.

Question. Do you agree with Mickey Harte that provincial champions should get a second chance?
Answer. Yes. It's not fair that losing in the provincials offers a second chance, but winning the province doesn't.
Answer. No. Winning the province means having to play fewer games and therefore being fresher than teams that come through the qualifiers.
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Question. Do you agree with Mickey Harte that provincial champions should get a second chance?
Answer. Yes. It's not fair that losing in the provincials offers a second chance, but winning the province doesn't. 52% (3,520 votes)
Answer No. Winning the province means having to play fewer games and therefore being fresher than teams that come through the qualifiers. 48% (3,263 votes)

Up4it. (Tyrone) - Posts: 199 - 03/08/2010 16:37:21    734488

Cork will walk it now. They wont win spectacularly, probably only by 2-3 points, but no team will score more than 13 points against them

jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 03/08/2010 16:45:04    734507

Down v Dublin Final, Down to win. Tyrone to win Minor.

CluainEoisAbu (None) - Posts: 273 - 03/08/2010 16:58:06    734532

Ja,
Try not letting this Kildare team score 14 points.

sammaguire09 (Kildare) - Posts: 101 - 03/08/2010 16:59:23    734537