saulman
County: Down
Posts: 38

764527 Hurling lad, as pgm says, comparing the Down side that lost to both Fermanagh and Wicklow last year is like comparing Man City pre and post Sheikh Mansour. There are numerous reasons why this is the case but the main one in my mind is the inclusion of Marty Clarke.

I agree that you cant compare. This year is totally different for Down and to be fair they are getting better every game. If you boys beat us on the 19th then you will deserve to be the champions. Fair play to Down for turning things around this year. Think Cork will be a huge test for you boys as we are better then Kildare and Kerry without Galvin just aint the same team.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 03/09/2010 17:57:03    764607

bealatha
County: Limerick
Posts: 17

764511 Ive said it in previous thread regarding Cork, especially the one V Dublin.
I asked how many Dublin players would get on the Cork team? . . . .I got little or no replies......
So ill try it once more how many Down players do you think would get onto this Cork team? 3 or 4 maybe?

In saying all that despite Corks superior ability they are found wanting in 3 main areas.
1.They lack leaders, with nicholas murphy on the bench and Canty 50/50 this is a big problem for Cork.
2.They lack workrate in the forwads, Goulding, C o Neill, Kerrigan etc dont work hard enough when they dont have the ball.
3.They have no plan B. Simple stop Corks running game and you'll stop Cork.

Whereas Down have leaders, they work hard and have lots of different plans.

I agree with alot of your points. We defo lack leaders but play cadogan and canty together and we have 2 serious leaders. Forwards defo lack workrate.Sheehan is our best forward for tracking back, Down have better forwards then us.

I disagree with Down having different as i have not see any evidence of this. Have u? We still have the ability to win though

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 03/09/2010 18:06:49    764620

Both Down and Cork have the ability to win the Final, it could go either way and thats what makes it so interesting from a neutrals point of view.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 03/09/2010 18:27:16    764643

So Rebeltrev 'you are better than Kildare'? What makes you think that then? As I'm residing in Cork I'd always shout for the Cork footballers (obviously not against my own) but some of the comments over the past few days are beginning to turn my stomach a small bit.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 03/09/2010 20:51:45    764752

Interesting how Down and Cork each present their reasonings fot the outcome of the All Ireland final.

I am persuaded more, not because they are a fellow Ulster county, but by their realistic argument. Meanwhile Cork's reasoning is built on false hope based on a concept of 'our experience' will see us through. If the latter were so true, could the Cork posters explain why those counties with massive experience such as Kerry and Tyrone have exited so early in the championship?

I await intelligent responses to this question.

gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 807 - 04/09/2010 17:13:50    765096

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 61

764752 So Rebeltrev 'you are better than Kildare'? What makes you think that then? As I'm residing in Cork I'd always shout for the Cork footballers (obviously not against my own) but some of the comments over the past few days are beginning to turn my stomach a small bit.

Just a matter of opinion. Dont see any evidence that Kildare are better so obviously im going to say Cork are a better team, We aint lost to anyone else besides Kerry in 6 years, beating Kildare 2 years ago. Fair assesment, nothing against Kildare man.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 04/09/2010 21:00:00    765286

Just to take a different perspective on the notion that Down are showing better form going into the final - imagine if the roles were reversed i.e. if it had been Down who came from behind to catch Dublin and Cork who had beaten Kildare (I'm assuming both matches going exactly the same here, just Cork and Down swapping places)

I'm fairly sure that everyone here would be lauding Down for a never say die attitude and ability to pull games out of the fire. Showed how to beat the massed defence by just soaking up the pressure and making their fitness tell at the end. Real winners to recover from an early set back like that.

Cork, on the other hand, would probably be getting slated for giving away another big lead (which they only got courtesy of a terrible reffing decision - more evidence that it's always the smaller teams who get screwed on these decisions) same as they did against Limerick. They almost seem to be getting worse as the year goes on and they're still the same bottlers as they have been for the last few years.

Can anyone honestly tell me that this wouldn't be a popular opinion around here if my hypothetical situation were true?

hurling_lad (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 05/09/2010 19:11:37    765836

Down will win,Cork to choke again on the big stage

ruthless (Monaghan) - Posts: 594 - 05/09/2010 19:28:16    765858

Get used to it Hurling lad,

Its Cork versus 31 counties of begrudgers

Redfoot (Cork) - Posts: 388 - 05/09/2010 19:32:02    765861

05/09/2010 19:36:29
Midleton
County: Cork
Posts: 26

765868 Nothing really points to clear win for either side. I don't know a lot about Down except what I've seen on television this year. Kildare seemed to have given up in the semi-final, but Down were unable to press on and really put themselves out of sight - rather similar to Cork in that respect - and were clinging on by their fingernails at the end.

Cork have me baffled, in spite of all the times I've seen them play. An overriding impression is that, in spite of all the years and all the top teams they've played and beaten (except for Kerry outside of Munster), they still lack self belief. Still, just because they've been through it so many times before and have had to overcome all the tactics employed against them, I would expect Cork to win.


Cork poster...what a load of waffle...you are living in cuckoo land if you don't see the writing on the wall...it will be Down's year to take the Samaguire Cup.

Cavan_gael (Cavan) - Posts: 100 - 05/09/2010 20:06:08    765901

question

whys cork called the rebels?

The_Lug_Coa (Fermanagh) - Posts: 406 - 05/09/2010 20:20:23    765919

Well Lug, Cork is nicknamed "The Rebel County", as a result of the support of the townsmen of Cork in 1491 for Perkin Warbeck, a pretender to the throne of England during the Wars of the Roses. In more recent times, the name has referred to the prominent role Cork played in the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) when it was the scene of most of the fighting, in addition it was an anti-treaty stronghold during the Irish Civil War (1922-23).

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 271 - 05/09/2010 20:27:43    765931

Question Why are you called The Lug Coa.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 05/09/2010 20:29:29    765933

corkcelt lug derogatory term used to describe someone who has very lttle betwen their ears, so I'll let you work out the rest!

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 271 - 05/09/2010 21:09:29    765985

Cavan_gael
County: Cavan
Posts: 87

it will be Down's year to take the Samaguire Cup.

Cavan Gael, could you outline by what reasoning you came to that conclusion?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 05/09/2010 21:16:25    765995

Because he is a Cavan man and knows sweet **** all about football. Another anti Cork supporter. Wait till the 19th and we will shut them all up. You wait and see. Corcaigh abu. Both sam and liam will be in Munster this year. Side by side.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 05/09/2010 21:34:46    766016

05/09/2010 21:37:03
rebeltrev
County: Cork
Posts: 250

766018 b.mullins
County: Dublin
Posts: 151

766008 Down to win by 3 or 4 and Down fans to scale the fence

I think people are forgetting that its been longer since Cork won it so we wont be holding back if we win SAM which im fully confident we will.


Rebeltrev you wouldn't be a great man at betting no wonder the bookies are making a fortune out of people like you.

I agree 100% with the Dublin poster as most now believe that Down are set to win and it will be the winning margin that is most cause for debate now!

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 271 - 05/09/2010 21:59:17    766030

hurling_lad
County: Cork
Posts: 39

765836 Just to take a different perspective on the notion that Down are showing better form going into the final - imagine if the roles were reversed i.e. if it had been Down who came from behind to catch Dublin and Cork who had beaten Kildare (I'm assuming both matches going exactly the same here, just Cork and Down swapping places)

I'm fairly sure that everyone here would be lauding Down for a never say die attitude and ability to pull games out of the fire. Showed how to beat the massed defence by just soaking up the pressure and making their fitness tell at the end. Real winners to recover from an early set back like that.

Cork, on the other hand, would probably be getting slated for giving away another big lead (which they only got courtesy of a terrible reffing decision - more evidence that it's always the smaller teams who get screwed on these decisions) same as they did against Limerick. They almost seem to be getting worse as the year goes on and they're still the same bottlers as they have been for the last few years.

Can anyone honestly tell me that this wouldn't be a popular opinion around here if my hypothetical situation were true?

To be fair you're 100% right. Fans, commentators always have a set opinion about certain teams based on their last few years and will use any anecdotal evidence from past games to support their theory about how a team will perform or has performed.
A northern team trailing and coming from behind no matter how unconvincing = uncompromising, battle hardened,never say die
Cork, Mayo, Dublin losing a final by 1-2 points = Bottlers, chokers, under performing
Kerry, Tyrone losing a match in any year = End of an era, Ageing team, team in turmoil
Dublin winning 2 games in a row = All Ireland contenders, potential champions, this will be their year
Cork winning by 20 points in any game = Flattering to deceive, will flop when it really matters
Down winning by 20 points in any game = Aristocrats of football

Its all just opinions at the end of the day.
An Dun abu!

Corrxxx (Kerry) - Posts: 584 - 06/09/2010 09:19:18    766060

L like this assessment!

Cork winning by 20 points in any game = Flattering to deceive, will flop when it really matters
Down winning by 20 points in any game = Aristocrats of football

cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1016 - 06/09/2010 10:27:47    766115

Your post is spot on there, Corrxxx, but it's not opinion - it's lazy stereotyping at best, nothing but biased BS at worst.

hurling_lad (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 06/09/2010 12:08:56    766223