Sorry, Eamonn O'Sullivan. Got him mixed up with the chap the stadium is called after.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 29/07/2010 11:25:26    727935

Thats just names how is their records better than Harte's as outlined above. Paudi O se won how many all Irelands for example and how many u21s and minors?

you're not very convincing but you do sound a little bitter for some reason, and who is hef?????? would that be Hugh Heffner the well known gaelic centre Folder?

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 29/07/2010 11:26:42    727936

Onchlir...are you from Tyrone? ;)

nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 29/07/2010 11:43:13    727959

I'm not but the question asked was the greatest manager BObO questionsed Micky harte, I thought unfairly but if someone rates Hugh heffner above Mickey(that sounds wrong) then he really has problems!

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 29/07/2010 11:54:09    727977

Sean boylan was the best manager by a good distance, i suppose mickey harte
is doing something similar to what boylan used to do i.e the team is better than
the players individually

atta (Meath) - Posts: 714 - 29/07/2010 12:35:34    728044

Its easy enough to manage if one has talent in abbundance as the likes of Kerry and Kilkenny have, and i am not taking from Micko or Cody but the managers i admire are the ones who built teams from weak resourses several names come to mind, Daly have brought the Dublin hurlers on, Walsh the Sligo Footballers.
Always admired Ryan from Limerick and Meyler Both of whom i felt were harshly treated in the end.
Not forgetting Gerald and Justin Mc Carthy both different but brillant men at their job.

shrewdjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 290 - 29/07/2010 12:58:17    728105

onclair the usual substance lacking posts by you again just piggybacking on other decent posts and throwing in some juvenile comments

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 29/07/2010 13:50:48    728209

booboo
County: Cork
Posts: 206

727726 what has harte done to be spoken in the same breath as cody hef and odwyer can we stop this tyrone sgo stroking



This post has substance???????????

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 29/07/2010 14:18:26    728272

O'Dwyer by a country mile! The debate should be who's the 2nd best manager.

And, in my opinion, Jack O'Connor is a better manager than Mickey Harte, though neither have been around long enough yet to be considered with the greats.

Harte has managed Tyrone for 7 seasons, winning 3 All-Irelands. Jack O'Connor managed to do the same with Kerry in the space of 4 seasons. That's a 75% success rate compared to a 43% success rate (still a great success rate no doubt). In the only season O'Connor didn't win the championship with Kerry, they lost the final by just 3 points. I'm convinced that if O'Connor had been manager in 08, Kerry would have completed another 4-in-a-row last year.

In the 4 seasons Harte failed to win the championship, Tyrone exited twice in the quarter finals (to a Mayo team later hammered by Kerry and to a Meath team later hammered by Cork, who were then hammered by Kerry), once in the 2nd round of the qualifiers (to Laois, later beaten by Mayo, who were later hammered by Kerry) and once in the semi-final (to Cork, who were later hammered by Kerry).

lessbull (Kerry) - Posts: 177 - 29/07/2010 15:02:22    728359

Never mind Booboo... the vast majority of his threads follow a common theme. In the words of the great Ralph Harris, "can you guess what it is yet?"

AnFoirGael (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 29/07/2010 15:02:27    728360

Top 5 of the last 20 to 30 years is all i can comment on. In no particular order i would have to go for -

Sean Boylan, Brian Cody, Mick o dywer, kevin Heffernan, Mickey harte, Jack o Connor, Ger loughnane, Billy Morgan.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 29/07/2010 15:06:40    728366

Sorry, Eamonn O'Sullivan. Got him mixed up with the chap the stadium is called after.

Who, Maurice?

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 29/07/2010 15:07:37    728368

booboo
County: Cork
Posts: 209

727917 onchlair 1 hef 2 boylan 3 o dwyer 4cody 6 paudi ose 7 billy morgan and thats just the last 50 yrs

sorry but can you tell me how many all-irelands in total boylan, o'se, and morgan have won?
by the way you skipped 5

galballygael23 (Tyrone) - Posts: 235 - 29/07/2010 15:22:24    728393

lessbull
County: Kerry
Posts: 108

728359 O'Dwyer by a country mile! The debate should be who's the 2nd best manager.

And, in my opinion, Jack O'Connor is a better manager than Mickey Harte, though neither have been around long enough yet to be considered with the greats.

Harte has managed Tyrone for 7 seasons, winning 3 All-Irelands. Jack O'Connor managed to do the same with Kerry in the space of 4 seasons. That's a 75% success rate compared to a 43% success rate (still a great success rate no doubt). In the only season O'Connor didn't win the championship with Kerry, they lost the final by just 3 points. I'm convinced that if O'Connor had been manager in 08, Kerry would have completed another 4-in-a-row last year.

In the 4 seasons Harte failed to win the championship, Tyrone exited twice in the quarter finals (to a Mayo team later hammered by Kerry and to a Meath team later hammered by Cork, who were then hammered by Kerry), once in the 2nd round of the qualifiers (to Laois, later beaten by Mayo, who were later hammered by Kerry) and once in the semi-final (to Cork, who were later hammered by Kerry).

lessbull, the comment about 08 is very disrespectful. and you know as well as i do that apart from last year harte had very good reasons for not doing as well as he should have in other years even if he would never use them as excuses.

galballygael23 (Tyrone) - Posts: 235 - 29/07/2010 15:26:27    728400

sam57
County: Louth
Posts: 767

728368 Sorry, Eamonn O'Sullivan. Got him mixed up with the chap the stadium is called after.

Who, Maurice?


Hardly! Although I suspect in my badness you might be referring to that Fitzgerald's famous sideline kick in Thurles???

Stadium is called after Dick Fitzgerald who was another famous Kerry person from the early days.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 29/07/2010 15:35:51    728409

i see the 2003 bandwagon brigade are at it again the usual suspects ah bless

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 29/07/2010 15:50:46    728428

Bobby Robson or Kevin Keegan. 2 Geordie legends

Hanley2 (Longford) - Posts: 420 - 29/07/2010 15:57:07    728438

Gallballygael23, how is the comment about 08 "very disrespectful"? Disrespectful to who?

lessbull (Kerry) - Posts: 177 - 29/07/2010 16:17:15    728457

well 1)the tyrone team, obviously. to claim that a different manager in kerry would have beaten tyrone is disrespectful
2)the kerry manager at the time. to say that o'connor would have been able to lead kerry to sam after he had done it the year previously is disrespectful to him

galballygael23 (Tyrone) - Posts: 235 - 29/07/2010 16:28:38    728487

Gallballygael23, I don't mean any disrespect to either Mickey Harte or Pat O'Shea. Mickey Harte is a good manager, and fair play to Pat O'Shea for winning us an All-Ireland in 07 and almost doing it again in 08. And, I don't blame O'Shea entirely for losing in 08. The players didn't perform on the day and it's one, along with 02, I feel we should have won on the day.

When O'Shea came along in 07, he didn't bring anything new to the table. He stuck with Jack's winning formula and, in fairness, who could blame him? It worked fine that year, but in 08 things were going stale and changes needed to be made - changes, I feel, Jack would have made. Pat was much slower to make changes on the sideline.

The team has always performed on the big day under Jack (and, yes, I include the 05 final in that. That was the best final of the decade, with 2 teams playing great stuff, with Tyrone, at the peak of their powers, winning out in the end fair and square). In 08, Tyrone were a pale shadow of the 05 team and they were there for the taking that day.

Is that fair enough as justification for my argument?

lessbull (Kerry) - Posts: 177 - 29/07/2010 16:51:39    728551