First of all, the present Tyrone team are a carbon copy of the Rinus Michels managed Dutch in the 70s except for what many would believe to be one vital difference.

There is no Cryuff in Tyrone. Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best. Cryuff was a genius and whole concept of Total Football was designed around his being and to a lesser extent Johan Neeskens (in 1978) when Cryuff refused to travel to Argentina. Who is the Cryuff on the Tyrone team?

As good and all as the Dutch were, I believe they lost two World Cup Finals. '74 was a massive collapse. A goal up before West Germany had even touched the ball and what they did try to do? Embarrass the Germans. How they payed for that. If you want to stretch it to include genetic make-up, then one other difference would be that Tyrone had temperment. When it really mattered, the Dutch did not.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 21/07/2010 19:44:10    718510

Tyrone are one of the best teams ever says one poster.

That is not what is said in the pubs and clubs around the country, why do i find a lot of posters in here come up with their own notions and then try to make out its what most people think.

All these debates come up now and again about how good Tyrone are/were, they were a fine team that won three all-Irelands and that takes some going in the amount of time they done it and they deserve great credit for it. Personally i thought Kerry were a far better team in 08 and i still cant figure out how they lost it a bit like 96, still scratch my head over that one. To put Tyrone up there with the finest teams ever is a matter of opinion i suppose but if you were to take a poll of men in their sixties, id say the Galway 3 in arow, Kerry 70s/80s even the Jacks, maybe Down with that Oneill fella, my aul fella always bangs on about him all these teams i would guess would be ahead of the Tyrone teams and this is going by having discussed it before.
I'll get slated in here for this but i'll say it anyway, that Kerry/Galway game in the pissin rain couple of years ago that was pure football in its finest, no matter what anyone says, Tyrone are not capable of such natural flair, you can paint it anyway you want but give me that football any day,i'll watch it till the cows come home. Tyrone in laymans terms is a lot of effort and a bit manufactured for the want of a better word.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 21/07/2010 19:53:02    718529

Booboo, take a look at Tyrone's second score from Conor Gormley. Three 25-30 metre kick passes up the field from corner back position, small lay off and a point. The 3rd point came off a great kick pass from Ricey one from Davey Harte for the 7th point, point 9 came from a good kick pass from Jordan, point 12 came from a kick pass from McCullagh. 1-11 from play, surely the standard of football played couldn't be that bad if they are scoring like that

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 21/07/2010 19:55:32    718539

Loyal2TheRoyal
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718510 First of all, the present Tyrone team are a carbon copy of the Rinus Michels managed Dutch in the 70s except for what many would believe to be one vital difference.

There is no Cryuff in Tyrone. Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best. Cryuff was a genius and whole concept of Total Football was designed around his being and to a lesser extent Johan Neeskens (in 1978) when Cryuff refused to travel to Argentina. Who is the Cryuff on the Tyrone team?

As good and all as the Dutch were, I believe they lost two World Cup Finals. '74 was a massive collapse. A goal up before West Germany had even touched the ball and what they did try to do? Embarrass the Germans. How they payed for that. If you want to stretch it to include genetic make-up, then one other difference would be that Tyrone had temperment. When it really mattered, the Dutch did not.
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One other point to note, that Dutch side was jam packed full of egos which in turn lead to their demise as a force, none bigger that Cruyff himself, Tyrone have no egos, the team is paramount and nothing else matters but the team.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/07/2010 20:02:45    718558

It not really people slating tyrone. Its just jealousy from kerry people.

corkrebel (Cork) - Posts: 105 - 21/07/2010 20:05:10    718563

Boo Boo watch Tyrone v Kerry final of 86 and you will see plenty hand passes being put together by Kerry.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 21/07/2010 20:20:19    718581

"Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best."

That seems a bit unduly harsh.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 21/07/2010 20:20:43    718583

First of all, the present Tyrone team are a carbon copy of the Rinus Michels managed Dutch in the 70s except for what many would believe to be one vital difference.

There is no Cryuff in Tyrone. Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best. Cryuff was a genius and whole concept of Total Football was designed around his being and to a lesser extent Johan Neeskens (in 1978) when Cryuff refused to travel to Argentina. Who is the Cryuff on the Tyrone team?

As good and all as the Dutch were, I believe they lost two World Cup Finals. '74 was a massive collapse. A goal up before West Germany had even touched the ball and what they did try to do? Embarrass the Germans. How they payed for that. If you want to stretch it to include genetic make-up, then one other difference would be that Tyrone had temperment. When it really mattered, the Dutch did not.

Good post.

I would add that perhaps not having an offside rule, the ability to be more accurate through fist passing and kicking out of the hands over longer distances, bigger pitch and ease of control (catching the ball and running straight lines) means that it is not a neccesity to have a 'genius' player in a successful team.

In soccer it is much harder to breakdown a defence and often these flair players make the difference in a big game. You dont need that in Gaelic. Which is why Tyrone's big players or game changing players can have off days but the team doesn't have to suffer

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 21/07/2010 20:31:51    718600

There is no Cryuff in Tyrone. Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best.

Look no further for quote of the year. Dooher scored one of the best points witnessed in an all ireland final in 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMWVZh3jpw

McMahon, I don't know which one you are referring to, but Joe has played at corner back, midfield, half forward and corner forward. He kicks with both feet and along with his rubbish footballer of a brother Justin (all star) marked the much vaunted twin towers of Walsh and Donaghy out of it. He took 3 steps to sail a 45 over the bar on Sunday and a peach of a goal I seem to remember against Dublin in 08.

Penrose although not the best footballer is a fairly accurate free taker which I assume takes some modicum of skill.

As for Mulligan!!!!!!! I'll just put these two shoody pieces of evidence for you to digest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v38JDLohQK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV4j6SQOTDI

What rubbish players alright

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 21/07/2010 20:38:08    718607

"Dooher? McMahon? Penrose? Mulligan? Mediocre footballers at best."

That seems a bit unduly harsh.

Also true. I grew up with the McMahons and they were always destined to be stars, unbelievably gifted sportsmen. Magnificient soccer players and even better fellas, so down to earth its unreal. When people call Joe the 'sweeper' its sort of a word that belittles his talent. I would refer to him more as a deep-lying playmaker! He is ultra-composed, has great vision and his accuracy of foot passing is of the very highest standard.

And anyone who knows Justin knows that as much as he is being praised as a full-back, his talent is kind of wasted there. Surely he will be centre-half back when Gormley retires, the most important position on the pitch is perfect for a player of his standard

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 21/07/2010 20:51:22    718626

come down to my club house and most people will say that yes tyrone are one of the best teams any team that wins 3 AIs in such a short peroid are a special team

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 21/07/2010 20:55:06    718632

come down to my club house and most people will say that yes tyrone are one of the best teams any team that wins 3 AIs in such a short peroid are a special team

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 21/07/2010 21:05:31    718658

Tyrone have 2 footballers of the year in their forward line and dooher probably should have another one... Mulligan's goal against Dublin will nevre be bettered and has proven himself to be a class player.

Maybe if mulligan played for a lesser team like meath he would be more highly lauded by all...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 21/07/2010 21:14:25    718669

come down to my club house and most people will say that yes tyrone are one of the best teams any team that wins 3 AIs in such a short peroid are a special team


So they're as good as the Galway three in a row and kerry team of 70s and 80s. No they're not they're not even as good as the team of this decade Kerry. No true style or finesse like the Kerry team imo. When i watch Gooch or o Sullivan round his man and swing his boot in an almost effortless fashion, i'm admiring the true beauty of natural gaelic football, when i look at Tryone with the odd exception its mainly robust, full bodied, very athletic, of course this is just as effective but for me that is why they will never be a great team.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 21/07/2010 21:15:17    718673

come down to my club house and most people will say that yes tyrone are one of the best teams any team that wins 3 AIs in such a short peroid are a special team

beer baron (Cavan) - Posts: 3916 - 21/07/2010 21:25:37    718701

Great team they are, but I would have doubts about total football. If they were such talented footballers why then when they come up against a team with 1 or 2 top class forwards, for example monaghan (freeman and mcmanus), they have to double team both of them and have joe mcmahon as sweeper?

Great team going forward, but I despise that side of them and would challenge the total football quotes.

In saying all that I still think they will win the all ireland....

unclederry (Derry) - Posts: 67 - 21/07/2010 21:25:48    718702

''ben handpassing the ball all the way to the net is not total football''

Meh worked for Meath..

omahonys_man (Meath) - Posts: 229 - 21/07/2010 21:27:45    718709

this thread is a joke yeah_ pull drag swarm verbal off the ball fouling total puke

dubsforsam09 (Dublin) - Posts: 205 - 21/07/2010 21:32:02    718722

51longago, the men in their sixties would not appreciate Gaelic Football in its current state. Poll the same people and ask them; Arkle or Kauto Star, Puskas or Ronaldo (Brazil), Merckx or Armstrong, Elliot or El Guerroj, Ring or Carey, Zatopek or Bekele. It won't be long before a trend starts developing. Put the same poll to the ones who say Tyrone are better than those great Down or Galway teams and I think you'll get a similiar trend. Only the complete inverse.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 21/07/2010 21:36:10    718728

I'll get slated in here for this but i'll say it anyway, that Kerry/Galway game in the pissin rain couple of years ago that was pure football in its finest, no matter what anyone says, Tyrone are not capable of such natural flair, you can paint it anyway you want but give me that football any day,i'll watch it till the cows come home. Tyrone in laymans terms is a lot of effort and a bit manufactured for the want of a better word.

So Tyrone's performance against Dublin that year (3-13 from play, with the most foot-passes of any team in the entire championship, and in the rain) didnt show flair?

You seem choosy!

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 21/07/2010 21:40:42    718736