Wests_Awake
County: Galway
Posts: 575

709766 Am I actually witnessing 'divide and rule' here lads? Stop catching each others throats and using arguments in a petty way to try and politically point score. It doesn't do anyone any favours.
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With the exception of the Unionist block!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 15/07/2010 11:32:40    709909

Gilly

There's a reason why "these scumbags" are on the streets. I provided a link. Admin chose not to post it, but in most instances there is a reason for the disruption.

About Omaghredhand, yes he's one of the best posters on here, I always read his posts. I was only wondering if he would have been made welcone at a Loyalist/Orange parade if they had known he was a GAA man. Again, Admin chose to edit part of the original post.

redandblackgaa (Tyrone) - Posts: 251 - 15/07/2010 11:43:38    709937

redandblack.g.a.a
good thought i can only imagine what would happen if a known g.a.a member turned up at a orange march, or how he would be treated for that matter.
but knowone is taking the residents of nationalist areas into consideration .. its bad to riot .. its bad to cause mayhem.
but no mention of why this trouble kicked off ... orange marches should not be allowed in catholic areas or close to them , its simple.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/07/2010 11:52:11    709955

brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
With the exception of the Unionist block!

Exactly. Divide and rule in action and it makes me sad. Remember people, we are all Irish.

And on topic, should orange marches be allowed to pass through interface areas? No, not in my opinion. Would they let the national front march through Brixton?

Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 15/07/2010 11:53:33    709960

redandblackgaa
County: Tyrone
Posts: 112

709837 Lot's of condemnation on here, but do most of you really know what's going on,
other than what you watched on the news? Maybe gilly can tell us what it's like to
live on the Lower Ormeau in the marching season since he seem to knows so much
about it, and him in Galway.
Loyalist and Orange parades are not welcome in Nationalist areas. It's as simple as
that ...

Omaghredhand, did you wear your Tyrone gear at the parade? Did you get a beating, Or did you just try to blend in with the rest of the Orangemen?
Did you give them a Tyrone flag to place beside the Irish Tri-Colour on top of the fire
the night before?

Why would I wear Tyrone gear at the parade? I took my young daughters down to watch the parade with absolutely no trouble. A huge number of those attending the parade know that I am a Catholic as I have played football with and against them. I have lived in the same hosuing estate as them. I have fought with them and I have drank with them. I do not have to justify to you what I do and who I do it with. Do you have parades going through your town or village? Does it really bother you that much? You strike me as someone who lives in an wee area where there are no protestants living or parades to contend with.

As for the childish remarks about flags, catch a grip would you, I thought you were a bit better than that. Can you tell me how hi-jacking a train and trying to burn its occupants, men women and children, catholic, protestant or other represents a legitimate response to an Orange parade. Can you also advise why rioting has continued for two nights after this parade has long gone? Can you explain the justification in continuing to attack a police officer who has been seriously injured?

Believe you me, my family suffered through the troubles like everyone else, but the difference is that I do not want my children, afraid to go out at night, or afraid to be stopped at a checkpoint on a country road late at night. If you do not learn from history you are condemned to repeat it. 450 years and some still have not learned this lesson

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 15/07/2010 11:59:41    709979

It all comes back to one thing....orangeman wanting to march through catholic areas as a show of triumphalism. It is wrong and it is the root cause of all the problems at this time of year.

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 15/07/2010 12:03:16    709987

ta32 - my reaction to your post was nothing about parades - it was about your ill informed tirade at the southern government.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 15/07/2010 12:20:10    710017

I do not have to justify to you what I do and who I do it with. Do you have parades going through your town or village? Does it really bother you that much? You strike me as someone who lives in an wee area where there are no protestants living or parades to contend with

Red and Black, I retract the above, as I also value you as a poster and the above is disrespectful and childish. Apologies

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 15/07/2010 12:30:42    710039

abhainn.
i actually have been reared on the island of ireland , and u know what i have never been ill informed .. u know why .. because i have had to listen to countless politicians making excuse for their lack of . ie. gareth fitgerald,john bruton, jack lynch .. jack lynchs favourite remark to heath after bloody sunday . sorry sir to have wrong u so late in the night... WE RUN OUT OF FUEL AS WE APPROACHED ?... JOHN BRUTON, refering to old charlie as his highness , i am sure the people of the bogside appreciated that [not]... extraditition ... copperfastening a border . so listen mate your self rightouse posts about the defence of the irish government do not wash with me , and your 2 years in belfast did not learn you anything , apart from your education which i would not begrudge in any person , so good luck to on that front ... but this about illegal marches remember , not about the exploits of hippies running up and down the lisburn rd.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/07/2010 12:39:01    710052

ta32 - tone down the anger! It wasn't the Irish government that copperfastened partition - it was a unionist government. Now I hate it as much as anyone, but the fact is, they have a majority. I think you're right, some Irish governments could have done more. However, your constant suggestions about the southern media being unionist because they have one dissenting non nationalist voice does not wash, and neither do painting all southern governments with one brush. As for them interfering in the north, it would have been a good idea in the 70's, if suicidal. However much of what went on with the IRA in the 80's and 90's made any sort of interjection impossible and ridiculous to suggest. Pre mid 60's, there was no desire, save some radicals, north and south, for intervention. I want a united Ireland. I wish some southern and northern governments/politicians/civic leaders had done some things different, and I'm genuinely sorry if you felt that the stance successive governments took on the north was not enough, however just blanketing them as having no feelings towards it, abandoning the people and pandering to a mythical unionist dominated media is far too simplistic a view of 80 years of Irish History, and I believe it to be flawed. Thats all...I don't want an argument, just a more reasoned discussion!

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 15/07/2010 13:00:58    710087

Omaghredhand

No need to apologise, you were provoked. The bit about the flag was out of order.

The events in Lurgan, I didn't comment on, so i'm not gonna try and justify it, other than to say that Lake St almost always follow what happens in Belfast.

redandblackgaa (Tyrone) - Posts: 251 - 15/07/2010 13:02:09    710089

abhainn.
that fair enough i am sorry i know they were politicians in the irish government who cared and did do something , like haughey for example.
i am genuinely hurt for the lack of intervention , more could have been done thats all i am saying . i do not want a argument with you either , u did make some reasonable points in your last post , and i know that u more than likely mean well , i speak from the heart , and tell how i see it , my points a lot of the time are correct and justified . its nothing personal abhainn , i just want people to realise what could have been done , and should have been done thats all.
i am also against the marches of loyalism sectarian marches coming into our areas , we are sick of it you know , and it is not right in this day and age these parades should be allowed ... this trouble will continue as long as orangemen get their way .. i would also plead for calm and not riot , beacuse we all know this is not the way forward now ... but these type of parades need to cease now . no hard feelings abhainn ta.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/07/2010 13:17:30    710120

Nationalists in the north are acutely aware that by and large Leinster House has all but washed their hands of the north. I do not for a second mean the people but the politicos in Leinster House. I will concede that their are republicans in the Dail excluding SF who genuinely want to see Ireland united. FF has been in government in the south for almost 3/4 of the states history, ff proclaims to be the republican party. What steps are they taking to bring about a more unified Ireland? Might I suggest they organise on a 32 county basis? Might I suggest they give Irishmen and women in the north the right to vote in Presidential elections? Might I suggest they allow northern mp's speaking rights in Dail Eireann? I am not talking about sending the free state army into Newry, these are all significant steps the Dublin government could easily implement if they were genuinely interested in the persuit of reunification.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 15/07/2010 13:23:22    710132

ta32 - cheers! and I for one agree with you about the parades. The trouble in Ardoyne was well signposted when they decided to let them in, which they should never have done.

and artisan - I'm no Fianna Fáil-er, but I agree with you, it would be good for Irish republicanism if they organised on a 32 county basis..

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 15/07/2010 13:37:09    710162

Well F.F. won't be getting my vote ever again, i'd vote for the D.U.P. before them and that is highly unlikely !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/07/2010 13:45:07    710183

Ta32 I think you're missing an important point. Everyone here agrees that Orange marches shouldn't be allowed through Nationalist areas. However attacking the PSNI isn't going to bring about this change. The best thing these rioters can do is ignore the whole thing rather than attacking Policemen who are only trying to do their job

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 15/07/2010 14:11:41    710246

plunkett.
were did i say attacking the p.s.n.i was going to bring about change . i do not believe in the rioting that has taken place , which bit do u not understand.
clearly these marches will cause mayhem in areas were they are not wanted , how many times will i have to explain myself .
now plunkett .. reroute these parades , avoid the ardoyne , and u will avoid the events that have taken place .
let the parades continue , they will be violence [ GIVEN DISSIDENTS MORE SUPPORT] in places like ardoyne , i think we all agree thats what we do not want happening. but we need to addrese what the core problem .. these parades need to stay in areas were they are accepted . not going out to antagonise locals in places like ardoyne ... the dissident threat will subside , if we can resovle issues around marches on that aspect.. if we can do that then we will have a better chance with both communities .. and the thugs on both sides will fail .but do not keep feeding them ammunitition . thats my point plunkett

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/07/2010 14:45:02    710318

Does anyone seriously think that those rioters are out throwing stones because of an orange parade. They would be out for any excuse to act the gouger. They wouldn't know why they were out, any excuse would do !!

I feel that as part of the Peace Process all parades should have been banned for 10 years !! After that only in their own areas !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/07/2010 15:09:25    710373

cavan slasher.
thats probaly true as well any excuse possible to cause mayhem.
these people are not republicans , but they are true republicans in that area and all over who do want this intimidition anymore .
the thing u mentioned on the marches being banned slasher . you are spot on on that one .
my thoughts are clearly with the decent residents of ardoyne , who have gone through enough.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/07/2010 15:17:31    710390

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5177

710373 Does anyone seriously think that those rioters are out throwing stones because of an orange parade. They would be out for any excuse to act the gouger. They wouldn't know why they were out, any excuse would do !!

I feel that as part of the Peace Process all parades should have been banned for 10 years !! After that only in their own areas !!

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 15/07/2010 15:18:13    710391