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Ban on Turf Cutting

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03/07/2010 20:13:52
jimbodub
County: Dublin
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695211 It's a similar circumstance for Fishermen.. It's a way of life, many have been doing it in the same family for generations... But
They've pretty much fished certain species into extinction.... is that right? Just because it's their way of life...

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I think Hurlingdub has similar views on my own on this.
Its not the 2 men on a trawler in dunmore east or the old man with a Sléan in Connemara that has resulted in the mass erosion of our Fish stock/Bogs its heavy industrial useage. If heavy usage needs to be controlled well then fine - shut down Bord na mona and reduce quotas on super-trawlers also having one token Paddy on a spanish superboat that docks in Killybegs for 30 minutes a year does should not make this an "irish registered Trawler".

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 05/07/2010 15:25:53    696872

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In alot of places it will be hundreds of years till they are stripped bare. I just think its a bit much to make people pay much higher prices for fuel and have people losing there income just for a few wild flowers and animals.

dizzydub (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 05/07/2010 15:34:01    696895

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hurlingdub
County: Dublin
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It's more of a world wide issue regarding fishing... rather than our own back yard.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/07/2010 16:17:50    696995

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Admirable attitude dizzydub, sure my childrens children will be able to read about those self same "wild flowers and animals" in their school text books!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 05/07/2010 16:27:52    697011

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05/07/2010 16:27:52
brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
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697011 Admirable attitude dizzydub, sure my childrens children will be able to read about those self same "wild flowers and animals" in their school text books!
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And they wont even be able to bring a sod of turf to school for the fire

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 05/07/2010 16:31:10    697017

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The Fishing Industry needs a huge overhaul... if that means people losing their jobs than so be it I'm afraid. It's a tough old world

Fishing could and should be completely sustainable under the right fishing practices.

The Sardine/Pilchard industry off the coast of Cornwall and Devon was almost completely decimated by over fishing.

It grinded to a halt... 40-50 years later the species was left alone and now once again there's a bounty to be made... There's a lesson there.

The problem is blind greed and ignorance...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/07/2010 16:33:00    697023

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dizzydub
County: Dublin
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My heavens that's a poor outlook on the natural world... We have species on this tiny island that are completely unique, not found anywhere else...

Ahh yeah... send in the bull dozers.

There are many alternatives for heating our homes than burning turf... I'd sooner explore that option before condemning an entire species to extinction.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/07/2010 16:38:13    697036

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JimBo

the greed and negligence is not the greed and negligence of fishermen

The fishermen of this country were sold out by the government 45 years ago when we first formulated a plan to join the EU.
We gained by having a wider market for our dairy and beef exports but the quid pro quo is that we gave away our fishing waters in return for
ridiculsy low quotas - The overfishing is by French, Spanish, British and even Russian superfleets, who bypass registration rules.

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 05/07/2010 16:48:15    697060

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Omar.d
County: Cavan
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697060 JimBo

the greed and negligence is not the greed and negligence of fishermen

The fishermen of this country were sold out by the government 45 years ago when we first formulated a plan to join the EU.
We gained by having a wider market for our dairy and beef exports but the quid pro quo is that we gave away our fishing waters in return for
ridiculsy low quotas - The overfishing is by French, Spanish, British and even Russian superfleets, who bypass registration rules.

You're preaching to the converted man... I dont think I ever mentioned anything about Irish Fishermen to be honest.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/07/2010 16:58:20    697081

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Im sure there are lots of other ways of heating the house but will these ways pay for the people who depend on turf cutting to survive?? Will they be as cheap as turf is now?? Money is very tight. The last thing we need is higher cost and more people being out of work

dizzydub (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 05/07/2010 16:59:01    697082

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http://www.timpatcoogan.com/blog/2009/04/09/the-disaster-that-is-the-irish-fishing-industry/

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 05/07/2010 17:05:50    697094

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dizzydub
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County: Dublin
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Dizzy there's lots of ways to make money, I don't think there's many people surviving solely on profit made from cutting Turf and if there is then it's a small percentage.

One of our main reasons for being so successful as a species is our power to adapt...

I'm sorry but if it means protecting a natural habitat that has taken millennia to create and has become a unique and diverse habitat for wild life found nowhere else in the world, then I'm sorry for the tiny percentage of people effected... but we've done enough harm to this planet.

Tough lessons I know… But incredibly necessary all the same!! How can we move forward as a species if we keep destroying everything? What will be left....?

The ancient Irish long before the Celts respected and in fact worshipped nature... it's a shame we've lost that knowledge. Now we just move from place to place sucking the life force out of each location before moving on... There are things on this planet that have long since perfected our modern attitudes….

Viruses

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/07/2010 17:19:34    697111

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jimbodub - yes we have damaged our country enough. but why always pick on rural many of whom are elderly and take away their only source of heat. why arent bord na mona shut down so and build a few wind mills. its the larger countries and coroprations who are polluting this planet.

why dont we ban anyone living in cities from buying 4x4's and cars over 1.8 litre so. why do they need these fuel guzzlers. if we are all forced to change then it must be done across the board.
goverments say big changes are needed to reverse global warming but why are they starting with the small man, start at the biggest first.

its amazing this goverment bans turf cutting, stagg hunting and now dog breeding in some form all of which all top of the agenda........excuse me but for flip sake there going on holiday for 2 months and these issues are top of the agenda.??????

im sure china,usa,uk,germany etc top of the aganda - is to save the world in these economic times, ah yes sure let the irish at it

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11747 - 05/07/2010 18:48:09    697242

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jezus i woz i the bog only last saturday..great day 4 it..n the fella woz puttin ot more of it so it defo didn cum in yet..i love going to the bog..evry year ya meet new people n hav mitey craic.. nt as good craic as years ago wen i was a nipper bt good craic al the same

pressup (USA) - Posts: 72 - 06/07/2010 15:28:43    698309

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I am just wondering what the people of a couple of generations would thinkabout banning turf cutting. Unimaginable. we had no electricity back then and turf was vital for our very existence. How times have changed.

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 06/07/2010 16:27:58    698425

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Bigapple
County: Kerry
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698425 I am just wondering what the people of a couple of generations would thinkabout banning turf cutting. Unimaginable. we had no electricity back then and turf was vital for our very existence. How times have changed.

The stone age?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 06/07/2010 16:34:28    698443

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06/07/2010 15:28:43
pressup
County: USA
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698309 jezus i woz i the bog only last saturday..great day 4 it..n the fella woz puttin ot more of it so it defo didn cum in yet..i love going to the bog..evry year ya meet new people n hav mitey craic.. nt as good craic as years ago wen i was a nipper bt good craic al the same
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Indeed - Happy memories of long days - scallion sandwiches - boiling tae on turf fire - milk in a lucozade bottle - a packet of fig rolls and 20 major
you can't bate the bogs of Yonkers/Queens/South Boston

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 06/07/2010 16:45:49    698457

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Stone age or not ,things were much simpler then and people were much happier!

Bigapple (Kerry) - Posts: 495 - 06/07/2010 17:25:24    698539

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one more point Jim the fisheries and Turf cutting is in no way an apt comparison.... Fish stocks were decimated to feed demand from the whole population.... turf cutting supplies a tiny fraction of the population.... better management is the solution here not bans.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 06/07/2010 17:35:41    698560

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Never in one in my life thank god... I did carry coal though

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 06/07/2010 18:26:17    698636

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