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Tyrone revert to negative style against Down

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spillane is spot on a second half of puke

down1991 (Clare) - Posts: 90 - 20/06/2010 10:10:06    681944

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I can't believe some of the rubbish spouted on here at times. The first half yesterday was excellent. Some great scores from both teams, inclusing an absolute wreaker by Joe McMahon. Down came out of the blocks absolutely flying. Tyrone took a bit of time to get to grips but did so and had notched a two point lead at half time that I thought was somewhat undeserved. This I believe shook the confidence of Down who were probably somewhat disbelieveing that they were not in front. The second half was poorer no doubt, but I have to laugh at the fact boys on here think Tyrone were negative. I was behind the goals Tyrone were attacking in the second half and Down at virtually all times had half their team behind the ball. I have no problem with this at all but I would like some of the master tacticians on here from Cork, Kerry, Dublin and Mayo to tell me what Tyrone were supposed to do? Lump it in and hope for the best? Get to the 45m line and hit a cows kick at the goals(despite playing against a strong breeze) ala Cork last week or hold on to possession and try and work the ball through? I am delighted that the demise of Tyrone is so full and final in the opinion of our learned brethern from Munster, Leinster and the perennial losers from Connacht. I for one would not fear any of the other teams. Kerry surely have as many miles on the clock as Tyrone, Dublin are still Jekyll and Hyde and Kerry have shown the way to beat Cork, get stuck into them or else borrow the Kerry jersey whatever day your playing them.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 20/06/2010 10:10:30    681946

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First half was among best football we've seen so far. Second was dire but that had more to do with the ineptness of Down rather than any negativity on the part of Tyrone. All teams, well all teams with ambitions anyway, play very similar styles and it is not great to watch usually unless it's close like Kerry/Cork and Dubs/Wexford.

On another note there was mad amount of frees and yellow cards last night after a relatively free flowing start.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/06/2010 10:14:16    681949

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Congratulations to Tyrone they did what needed to be done to win the game. The key was the middle of the field and Tyrone made a good tactical switch to close it down having lost it there for the first quarter. This stoped Down getting fast ball into our forwards and forced us to play in a way suited to Tyrone. Never mind all the guff about "puke football" and the blanked defence. You can only play blanket defence where attackers are relying on short and or latteral handpassing and it was the Tyrone mid-field who forced Down to into this type of attack.

I always find it a bit annoying to hear some TV pundits complaining about "blanket defence" when it is the only way that you can defend against a short handpassing attack developed in thier county and spread across the country by one on their ex-managers. They might prefer a provincial championships where one or two good teams run rings around everyone else playing "exhibition" football. Fortunately in Ulster there isn't such a wide gap betwen the different teams. This means that sometimes two teams with well organised defence neutralise each others forwards. This means that a match can depend on a few key scores and the performance of one or two key individuals.

Yesterday a couple of key individuals delivered for Tyrone when needed. Having said that, I think there were a lot of positives for Down especially delivering a sound defensive performance.

kickpass (Down) - Posts: 208 - 20/06/2010 10:58:00    681971

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First half was great! Second half not so good.

Should be another Ulster title for Tyrone. As well as that the All-Ireland is shaping up nicely for the Red Hands.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13837 - 20/06/2010 11:24:34    681998

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positives are Marty Clarke wont play as bad a game for Down again, ridiculous that they could only score 2 points in near enough 60 minutes.

Atticalllegends (Down) - Posts: 96 - 20/06/2010 15:01:07    682197

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Would that be the same negative defensive type hurling Dublin are now playing and getting whallopped for it? It really is PUKE hurling.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 20/06/2010 15:18:01    682213

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Its funny listening to an Antrim man about puke hurling. Sure ye only use hurls up there for digging the pitch up.

kingdomfan (Kerry) - Posts: 393 - 20/06/2010 17:49:20    682286

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I find it even funnier a Kerry man making digs at Antrim hurling. I know if the two meet who my money would be on

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 20/06/2010 18:02:25    682298

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I dont know how the term 'Negative Ulster Football' got brought into this discussion. Tyrone did not employ sweepers, they went man for man, I either side played negatively it was Down. At several occasions Down had only 2 men in the attacking half of the pitch, 13 men in our half to try to stifle Tyrone. Didnt work obviously as Dooher & McGuigan got every breaking ball.

The biggest problem was that so many changes were made throughout the game, no one knew where they were playing or who they were marking. This led to a lot of sloppy play.

Down missed a lot of chances for points & goals, I cant explain why. It was unbelievably hot yesterday which probably contributed to the second half lethargy.

At the end Tyrone are a very good side with lots of know how & experience. No team will want to come up against them. Best of luck to them.

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 20/06/2010 20:30:53    682397

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thats Down defeat was depressing indeed, what the wider public think of downs game? Not a hope later on in championship, tyrone are like kerry in early championship, dont beat thems by too much then go for broke in the later stages and have play really well.

Atticalllegends (Down) - Posts: 96 - 20/06/2010 20:36:37    682406

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omaghredhand
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I find it even funnier a Kerry man making digs at Antrim hurling. I know if the two meet who my money would be on


I would have my money on Kerry in the Hurling. They are the best team in the Christy Ring and will be more then likely playing for Liam next year. While Antrims level is really only at Christy Ring level.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 20/06/2010 20:56:21    682432

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blu
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At the end Tyrone are a very good side with lots of know how & experience.


A very good side will score more than 4 points in a half. The fact that if Down had taken their scores tells you where Tyrone are at.
Down were awful, Tyrone only slightly better.

redandblackgaa (Tyrone) - Posts: 251 - 20/06/2010 21:15:47    682456

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redandblackgaa
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Tyrone did as much as they had to do. I think they will improve with each outing.

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 20/06/2010 21:58:50    682501

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Tyrone are back!! They did enough, showed their intelligence and as long as they stay fairly injury free-they will be in Croker. why should they do anymore than defensive play in the second half if that was what they needed to win. The thing about Tyrone is that they can play more than one set of tactics, they are flexible and the team and individual players have the understanding of what is needed at appropriate times.

Cork showed how to beat Tyrone last year but MHarte will already have thought of a counter-plan to that-doubt if this will be a problem for them this year.

Whats the story with Stephen O Neill's injury?

Dooher showed his leadership and regardless of age the importance of his presence in the field. I think Tyrone (like Kerry) would benefit those older legs by going into through the front door.

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 21/06/2010 09:44:48    682542

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contrary to some of the comments here, I thought it was a great game. Excellent first half in particular, with Tyrone absolutely superb in the second half. Their use of possession, defending and support play were brilliant, and showed all that is good about gaelic football.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 21/06/2010 11:21:04    682638

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Alot of talk about the game on Saturday, and I think from watching the second half it was more a case of Tyrone being smart and seeing the game out. They did enough to win the game and closed down any of Downs attacks when they faced them. Alot is said about Tyrones old legs, and I have to laugh. I look at that Tyrone team from the weekend and apart from Dooher the rest of the team are far from old men. The like of COrk and Kerry would have quite a few 30 year olds and older in their team yet Tyrone don't. Swift, Carlin, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, Colm Cavanagh, Marty Penrose, Sean Cavanagh and Peter Harte are all in their mid to early twenties.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 21/06/2010 11:22:38    682641

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682641 Alot of talk about the game on Saturday, and I think from watching the second half it was more a case of Tyrone being smart and seeing the game out. They did enough to win the game and closed down any of Downs attacks when they faced them. Alot is said about Tyrones old legs, and I have to laugh. I look at that Tyrone team from the weekend and apart from Dooher the rest of the team are far from old men. The like of COrk and Kerry would have quite a few 30 year olds and older in their team yet Tyrone don't. Swift, Carlin, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon, Colm Cavanagh, Marty Penrose, Sean Cavanagh and Peter Harte are all in their mid to early twenties.

Didn't realise that; is Dooher the only player in his 30s so?

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 21/06/2010 13:22:02    682811

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you are all conditioned by the dullards on the sunday game


just because a game isn't freeflowing dosen't mean it's not good

other mature sports organisations look at the two competitors and judge it by the tactics used to overcome the other opponent

you wouldn't expect a boxer to lead with his chin in the interest of providing a better spectacle

newcastle united played exciting football but were severly critisised for their naieviety

the broken record that is the Sunday game seems to have permeated into people's minds around here

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 21/06/2010 13:36:12    682838

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Ryan McMenamin is about 31 now, with the like of Conot Gormley, Jordan, Hughes, Mugsy and Brian McGuigan all around the 29 mark.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 21/06/2010 13:37:58    682844

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