oricelt
County: USA
Posts: 141

674651 With all due respects gentlemen ,I believe that Tyrone found a way to beat the system more than they beat Kerry


Wrong answer they tyrone just knew how to start beating kerry and the kerry boys could not match tyrone in all areas.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 11/06/2010 19:57:42    674658

In April 2008 he said Tyrone would win Sam.

How could anyone take him serious after that?

Last week he said Cork would never win anything as Cork people lack moral fibre.

Perhaps he is trying to sell newspapers.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/06/2010 20:01:50    674660

Liam Hayes is the self styled Eamonn Dunphy of the GAA world. He loves to write controversial articles, and rarely writes anything that makes any sense.
About a year ago he wrote an article about how back in his day, the Meath Team would eat Dubs for breakfeast. Maybe the rest of the meath team did, but he certainly didn't!

Exactly right. Couldnt have put it better myself.
Hes failing at his Dunphy attempt because unlike Dunphy most people just see Hayes as a joke, whereas Dunphy splits opinion.Many love him many hate him.
Who reads that paper for sport anyway?!
By the way they are still waiting down in Carlow for him to deliver that Leinster.

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 11/06/2010 21:17:41    674714

sam57
County: Louth
Posts: 521

Who reads that paper for sport anyway?!



Me. as a paper it has declined, but the sport coverage is brilliant.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 11/06/2010 21:50:58    674750

Liam Hayes is always an entertaining read. He is miles ahead of most other sports journo's in my view because he has played the game successfully at the highest level. He also had the gumption to manage Carlow and I think they beat Offaly that year. He was the only pundit who predicted big performances from Monaghan in '07. He is miles ahead of he likes of KieranShannon who has loads of sports psychology theory, whereas Hayes understands the psychology of sport from players perspective. His writing style is v readable nd he's the mainreason I buy the Tribune.

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 12/06/2010 08:33:55    674767

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 11474

674658
oricelt
County: USA
Posts: 141

674651 With all due respects gentlemen ,I believe that Tyrone found a way to beat the system more than they beat Kerry


Wrong answer they tyrone just knew how to start beating kerry and the kerry boys could not match tyrone in all areas.



In all areas? haha...Im guessing you not a tourist to kerry? you really have a gripe for us!

nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 12/06/2010 09:53:57    674784

Liam Hayes was the only one i found who had something negative to say about the Louth v Kildare match. His comment was that the defending was very poor in the game. You wouldnt hear him saying that if Meath were involved in a similar game. He would be saying what a great game it was.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1664 - 12/06/2010 10:56:15    674808

Liam Hayes makes terrible predictions and comments every year. This is the same man who said Kerry were finished last year and they wouldn't get near Croke Park in September. I think its great he said it now maybe a Leinster team might actually win the All Ireland.

thetown (Laois) - Posts: 79 - 12/06/2010 11:20:09    674824

PearseBro, no doubt once Mr.Hayes views about Monaghan become less complementary you'll quickly have a different view on him and I'd say it'll be goodbye to the Tribune from there on in..

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 12/06/2010 11:47:49    674844

He has made his less than complimentary views on Monaghan since '07 and rightly so at times.

He writes well and says it like it is, he doesn't feel the need to kowtow to the big football names like most other GAA pundits do.

He has called it right in terms of the general media love in with the likes of Kerry whilst voicing his admiration for the top players and coaches like Harte, O'Connor and top plyers like the O'Se's at all.

In other words, he strikes a balance which he can do having played and coached and proven himself a talented journalist.

I'm not saying he's perfect, just saying he's the best there is in GAA terms - and I usen't to be a fan of his at all.

Buford - go back to Louth.

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 12/06/2010 12:08:51    674866

He is miles ahead of most other sports journo's in my view because he has played the game successfully at the highest level. He also had the gumption to manage Carlow and I think they beat Offaly that year.

Hes not the only man to have played sucessfully at the highest level, and its the best part of 20 years since he played.
If I want to listen to, or read a player who played sucessfully at the highest level Ill read or listen to Dara O Se.
A man in touch with the current game who actually has a bit of grace, not to mention 6 All Ireland medals. Fantastic in the current era.

On your other point, if everybody that managed a team to a win over Offaly got a newspaper column there'd be an awful lot of managers with newspaper columns.

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 12/06/2010 12:50:53    674907

am i mistaken or wasnt it liam hayes who said carlow needed to change their county colours if they were ever goin to achieve anythin? Anyone with that knowledge i would take very seriously

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 12/06/2010 13:42:21    674934

colm orourke put him in his place on the sunday game, special guest me a***

donaldo (Meath) - Posts: 352 - 12/06/2010 14:25:40    674983

Sam - you're missing the point - deliberately so I know. He has been a journalist since the 80's and therefore is miles ahead of the others in terms of journalistic pedigree. What did take some gumption was to put to one side the 'hurler in the ditch' position of newspaper punditry to manage probably one of the trickiest management jobs in the country.

He therefore has a proper insight into what makes a county manager tick (and recent insight at that - at the lowest end of the scale - genuinely no diesrespect to Carlow meant). He also has All-Ireland SFC medals playing at midfield for Meath in a very tough team in I think it was 1987 & 1988. He captained the team in 1991, the year of the epic 4 matches against Dublin. I think meath played a record number of matches that year until they lost narrowly in the final to Down.

Meath were the highest profile team (and not much loved outside their county it had to be said) between 1987-1991 and Liam Hayes was a leading light therein - a big strong midfielder with an eye for the odd spectacular goal. He prob won an allstar too. So to be coming on here questioning his credentials is a little bit rich !

Daire O'Se is another matter entirely, he was a top class footballer who had the privilege of playing with Kerry, meaning he got more opportunities than any midfielder of his time. He did of course contribute richly and was a top footballer.

I was looking forward to reading his observations, but the articles I've read so far have been simplistic and very narrow in focus, i.e. Kerry, Kerry & more Kerry. It is also clearly written for him. I've nothing against the chap and wish him well, and maybe he will come forward with some astute observations, but in my view, the last thing football journalism needs (or indeed TV punditry) is yet another ex Kerry great lecturing us all on how wonderful it is to be a Kerryman and how in truth, any rightminded footballing county should bow to the majesty of the football that only the mighty Kingdom can produce.

To compare his journalistic abiliites and viewpoints to someone like Liam Hayes who has been a professional at the top of his game for so long, would be like comparing a club U-12 midfielder to Daire himself - i.e. no comparison.

I can't believe I've just penned such a defence of Liam Hayes, I have no affiliation to him and at times he annoys me as well, but I repeat - I just think he deserves a lot more respect as the leading GAA journalist and I think it's great to have a viewpoint from outside the cozy Kerry Dublin love-in.

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 12/06/2010 15:02:02    675008

PearseBro
County: Monaghan

I just think he deserves a lot more respect as the leading GAA journalist

Respect? When you come out with drivel and nonsense all the time the last thing you deserve is respect. Hayes clearly decided a few years ago that he would make a bit of a name for himself by saying controversial and outrageous things. Even he cant possibly really believe some of the things he says, its just for effect. An attention seeker. Fair play to him, i suppose its worked for him. He is a well known GAA journalist now which is what he wanted. Personally i havent read any of his columns for a few years now and will not again. If i want a laugh ill read a joke book

redandgreen (None) - Posts: 691 - 12/06/2010 15:32:52    675020

PearseBro, I don't believe I am missing the point in any way shape or form.

If you care to read my post ,I didnt question Hayes' credentials as a player by any means. He was good player in his time, and yes an All Star of 1988.

I would however question his management record and his period over Carlow was less than wonderful.

He didnt show much 'gumption' with his Mourinho style entrance, talking about delivering Leinster titles.

Perhaps Dara O Se was fortunate to be involved in a glory period of Kerry football, but surely the same can be said of Hayes and his playing career with Meath.
Had he played for the Meath team of the past decade I very much doubt he'd have been afforded as much airtime or newspaper inches.

So what if hes been involved in journalism for two decades? Does it make some of his opinions any less off the wall?

There are GAA writers who I like to read, I dont always agree with them but Id respect their views.
Hayes just likes the contraversial, writing rubbish for the sake of a reaction.
Not the type of journalism Id personally embrace.

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 12/06/2010 15:41:40    675029

Pearse- go back to Monaghan.

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 12/06/2010 16:12:31    675049

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
Posts: 1776

674934 am i mistaken or wasnt it liam hayes who said carlow needed to change their county colours if they were ever goin to achieve anythin? Anyone with that knowledge i would take very seriously

Yes.The guy is a genius.Nobody reads the tribune.He is trying to sell newspapers and makin a complete fool of himself in the process.
BTW Ulsterman Cork have beaten Kerry more times than Tyrone in the last decade so they dont seem to let Kerry walk all over them.The other teams are just not good enough to beat Kerry.Armagh,Derry,Fermanagh and your own darling Antrim have been beaten as well by Kerry in recent times in C'ship football.Tyrone beat them deservedly all 3 times they played them.There is nothing mysterious about it.Sligo beat Tyrone when they had their only meeting in 2002.Does this mean Tyrones 3 AI titles are worthless because they did not beat Sligo?Where were Tyrone in 2004,2006,2007 and 2009?
I'll tell you where they were.They were knocked out by teams that would'nt have come,or did'nt come within an asses roar of knocking out Kerry.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 12/06/2010 17:31:00    675113

Many of the younger posters wouldn't know Liam Hayes but his football pedigree is second to none so he knows what he is talking about. He was one of the top players in the country in the 80's and early 90's and has several All Ireland medals in his pocket. Himself and O'Rourke were absolutely brilliant skillful footballers who weren't afraid to hit you a fair oul whallop either. Meath were compulsive viewing and their football was very entertaining and Hayes wrote one of the best GAA books ever OUT OF OUR SKINS which is as good a sports book as you will read. He is totally honest and calls it as he sees it, that's why he and Meath were and still are very popular in Ulster. No back doors, hard, tough and great to watch in full flow. Furthermore Hayes doesn't buy into the Dublin media fawning Kerry nonsense and has highlighted their shortcomings which others are afraid to. That's why I will defend his right to his opinion.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 12/06/2010 17:35:38    675117

Go away out of that Ulsterlad,Hayes was an average footballer...with outrageous idiotic views-THATS why he sells paperas

nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 12/06/2010 18:28:36    675141