Another analyst with a "it was better in my day" whinge?! Seems to be de rigueur at the moment, if only cos it makes good headlines.

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 11/06/2010 08:02:51    673854

Hayes is always giving out, having digs at teams, comparing his own brief glory days-thats his style of journalism.......mmmmm sounds familiar

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 11/06/2010 13:26:58    674205

He's only telling the truth. Leinster has been very poor for a long time and if people get annoyed at that so what, it's not a popularity contest? Furthermore Hayes called it right about this Kerry side, he said they could NEVER be deemed great until they did to Tyrone what Tyrone did to them. What was wrong about that, it seems some just don't like facts and are easy annoyed. As an Ulsterman I would concede that our provincial Championship has been poor this year and has been for a few years. None of our counties will win Sam this year but you won't find too many of us crying or moaning about it. Get over it, well done Liam for telling it as it is.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 11/06/2010 13:49:25    674232

tongo - Which article are you talking about?
I thought his column in last weeks tribune, although full of the usual digs, was actually quite good. He actually predicted the outcome of the Kerry Cork match pretty well.

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 11/06/2010 13:50:02    674235

He is an analyst for TV3 and he is trying to turn people off watching the game on Saturday, you would think TV3 would at least have it in the contract that he should promote the games they are showing not try to get people not to watch.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 11/06/2010 14:22:59    674280

Who the hell is Liam Hayes ?, was he a great player and if so how come I haven't heard of him before?.

BallsMcQ (USA) - Posts: 941 - 11/06/2010 14:36:56    674300

Liam Hayes is the self styled Eamonn Dunphy of the GAA world. He loves to write controversial articles, and rarely writes anything that makes any sense.
About a year ago he wrote an article about how back in his day, the Meath Team would eat Dubs for breakfeast. Maybe the rest of the meath team did, but he certainly didn't!

Lebowski (Meath) - Posts: 363 - 11/06/2010 14:57:13    674321

Ulsterman
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674232 He's only telling the truth. Leinster has been very poor for a long time and if people get annoyed at that so what, it's not a popularity contest? Furthermore Hayes called it right about this Kerry side, he said they could NEVER be deemed great until they did to Tyrone what Tyrone did to them. What was wrong about that, it seems some just don't like facts and are easy annoyed. As an Ulsterman I would concede that our provincial Championship has been poor this year and has been for a few years. None of our counties will win Sam this year but you won't find too many of us crying or moaning about it. Get over it, well done Liam for telling it as it is.

Ulsterman, you are not talking about FACTS; you are referring to personal opinion, personal perspectives. A fact is something that is repeatable regardless of the perspective of the observer. Yours and Liam Hayes OPININON is that Kerry are not "great" because they lost to (FACT) Tyrone three times (1 semi and 2 finals). The other FACT is that Kerry have reached every semi-final of the last 10 years, 8 AI finals, won 5 AI. They have lost only 9 championship matches at this level for the last 10 years and most of them have been to Cork (4), Tyrone (3), Meath (1) Armagh (1).

You are entitled and welcome to your opinion but they sure are not FACTS. My opininion is actually also a fact-no other team are anywhere near this record. My opinion is that if they are not "great"-they sure are the BEST

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 11/06/2010 15:17:54    674344

''I'll be watching him carefully now this summer with Carlow - there's obviously a lot I have to learn."

Jack O'Connor on Liam Hayes in Keys to the Kingdom

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 11/06/2010 15:19:18    674347

2004 went for Mayo, 2006 went for Mayo, 2007 went for Cork, 2008 went for Kerry and 2009 went for Cork. Even Neil Francis has a better record than that!

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 11/06/2010 15:30:33    674360

I posted this last month on the front page thingy. My own view is talking about provinces as a barometer for team strengths is the greatest load of rubbish talked about in GAA circles.....

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"Greatest waste of time comparing strengths of provinces - nobody team ever beat another because they were from a particular province. They beat them because they were better on the day. Drives me mad when I hear pundits taking about "this province or that province isn't that strong this year, blah, blah, blah". Ask them about their players, weaknesses, or how one counties style of play may or may not cause difficulties for another - wouldn't have a clue. Just think they sound knowledgeable when the speak about the fictious and non-existent strength of provinces. AVERAGE strength of the provinces is about the same - has to be when you think about it. Then you have the statistics which could prove any individual province was better than another, just decide what data and period of time you take it over.

Good for a debate, but ultimately meaningless. As for having a bet, and I'd have a fair few quid on from time to time. Province a team came from? Doesn't matter a **** to me when it comes to putting my money down"
Solo Run , 30/04/2010 at 00:03204

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If Liam Hayes sees a match-up between Leinster teams and similar standard teams from other provinces for example Kildare vs Donegal, or Louth vs Limerick, or Meath vs Sligo is going for a Kildare, Louth, Limerick treble because they are from Leinster? Doubt it. If he has any sense he'd view each match on its merits and how the styles of play suit or dont suit each team.

Solo Run (None) - Posts: 316 - 11/06/2010 15:39:38    674372

Donegal, Limerick, Sligo treble....that should be

Solo Run (None) - Posts: 316 - 11/06/2010 15:50:52    674387

NavynBlue: I only read the story that's on the HS website. As for what he says, most of it probably is correct. However, it's the "everything was great in my day" stuff that is so tiresome. He conveniently forgets that watching Meath during his heyday was a fairly trying business!

Tongo (UK) - Posts: 1795 - 11/06/2010 16:02:11    674409

Hayes was a very capable player in a tough Meath team in mid 80-s to nineties and held his own aginst the likes of the Dubs Kerry , Cork and teh Ulster teams who were just breaking through; very insightful at timres though I agree his perspective is somewhat Meath tinted glasses. why wouldn't he be be critical when the last Leinster team in an AIF was 9 years ago. having said that he is comparing others to the likes of Flynn, Stafford, O'Rourke, Lyons O'Connellhttp:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOaSnpHWaDc

KevHill (Antrim) - Posts: 271 - 11/06/2010 16:12:56    674429

He famously said a couple of years ago that Seamus Moynihan was only an AVERAGE footballer - enough said!

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 11/06/2010 16:28:06    674445

Hey Face, that's remarkable consistency alright... you don't know who he's tipping this year, he might have some sort of strange gift! Maybe he should go into the Meath dressing room before the Laois match at the weekend, just to wish them his special kind of luck!!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 11/06/2010 17:52:07    674544

kerrykerry
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Ulsterman and hayes are right though kerry could not do to tyrone on what tyrone done to them , as the proof is there in the last decade.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 11/06/2010 18:00:50    674556

kk

If you qualify for 7 finals in a row and win some of them you are indeed a GOOD team, no one would doubt that. If you don't beat your nearest challenger when it matters, in any sport, you can NOT be classified as GREAT. FACT! Liam Hayes said as much and has been vilified by the Kerry luvvies cartel in the GAA and Irish media. There is an unwritten rule in the Irish media SEE NO EVIL, SPEAK NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL regarding Kerry. Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh didn't fawn and worship at this altar and hey......beat Kerry. Others especially Cork, Mayo & Dublin could maybe learn from that. Once again well done Liam Hayes for speaking out and telling the truth.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 11/06/2010 18:09:48    674568

Liam Hayes is just trying to be controversial but as most people are on to him now his pronouncements are getting more and more outlandish. Although I buy the Tribune and enjoy its Gaelic coverage especially K Shannon I dont read Hayes articles.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 11/06/2010 18:53:39    674602

With all due respects gentlemen ,I believe that Tyrone found a way to beat the system more than they beat Kerry

oricelt (USA) - Posts: 207 - 11/06/2010 19:51:43    674651