some people talk some rubbish..all because of ulster? is that why some of the best footballers to play gaelic have come from ulster?

farnabu85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 53 - 01/06/2010 17:22:33    664626

patmcgee
County: Longford
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Am on about the 70s and 80s and even they have used those tactics in the last decade , Looks like you do not watch to much football so if you do not think kerry put 13 behind the ball.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/06/2010 17:30:52    664645

Dell in your own words..."LINKS PLEASE..." not just one tiny example to back up your point, to suggest such a thing requires a series of links

nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 01/06/2010 18:25:44    664771

Do not need links because i follow gaa games so please look up kerry gaa games in in the 00s and you will see , Surely you will cop on during some of there games , .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/06/2010 19:01:47    664838

I can't speak for the 70's or 80's dell, sorry after my time. but id be glad to see some footage of kerry with 13 men behind the ball.

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 01/06/2010 19:02:51    664840

brendtheredhand
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Fair enough Hag, its only right and proper that Ulster accept full responsibility for Tipps defeat.

Good stuff I'll text Liam sheedy there as their having their meeting tonight it should be all over the papers tomorrow.....

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 01/06/2010 19:56:06    664893

" can't speak for the 70's or 80's dell, sorry after my time. but id be glad to see some footage of kerry with 13 men behind the ball"

Patmcgee eat those words, watch this vid at the 2:14 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hBhJCfo5k&feature=PlayList&p=0C433745DB771F81&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=13

JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 482 - 01/06/2010 20:37:51    664929

JamsieMac
County: Cavan
Posts: 65

Good man not Patmcgee this poster put up what i have been saying all along .


nok02
County: USA
Posts: 118


I suggest you look at the same link now once again your wrong.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/06/2010 20:59:10    664957

JamsieMac
County: Cavan
Posts: 65


I will like to see pats answer to that lol...

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/06/2010 21:02:39    664961

''Are you trying to tell me that Kerry ever went out to put 13 men behind the ball and defend for most of the game?'' - I quote myself there.
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Dellboypolecat
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JamsieMac
County: Cavan
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Good man not Patmcgee this poster put up what i have been saying all along .

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What i have been saying all along is that the blanket defence when used in the right way with the correct balance is fine. Its about the balance between attack and defence. in my last post i said id like to see a clip of kerry with 13 men behind the ball, what i should have said was id like to see a clip where kerry have 13 men behind the ball and didnt move out and attack once they got the ball back.

How much did kerry score in the all ireland final last year? 0-16. hardly negative. Most of that was from play too. You still havent answered my original question dell

When was the last time you saw kerry keep 13 men behind the ball for most of the game, and let their free taker score 90% of their scores? It certainly wasn't last years final

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 01/06/2010 21:19:03    664993

what kind of a stupid question is that?

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 01/06/2010 21:28:15    665011

patmcgee
County: Longford
Posts: 149

The evidence was put up in front of you so you cant change your tune now . By the way tyrone scored 1-12 against kerry in 08 from play 3-13 against dublin, 21 points from play against wexford how in the earth is that bad football?

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 01/06/2010 21:28:40    665013

I agree with I_agree

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 01/06/2010 21:42:15    665034

''Im not having a go at all of ulster! all im saying is I dont like the way football is going its ruining the game as a spectacle. The great Tyrone team 0f 03, 05 and 08 attacked and defended as a unit and their football was great to watch, as good as any. What teams nowadays especially in ulster are doing is defending as a unit but not so much attacking so there will be 13 men behind the ball meaning the games will be low scoring and the free takers score nearly all the scores. It isnt just an ulster thing though, westmeath played with a centre half forward who played full back for the last few years.'' again a quote from me

Do you even remember what we were arguing about?? I have said time and time again that it is about the balance between attack and defence. Tyrone in 08 were brilliant is what i've been saying all along. It wasn't negative football. However the match between armagh and derry was boring low scoring negative football and anyone who loves football doesn't want to see that. I love watching the Kerrys and the tyrones playing well in both attack and defence.

Straight question dell, do kerry play negative football ( i define that as keeping most heir team behind the ball and letting their free taker score most of their scores whilst scoring under 10 points)??

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 01/06/2010 22:00:02    665067

The only reason there was more handpassing in the Kerry Tipp game compared to the Derry Armagh one was because the ball was in play for far longer in the Kerry game. Also the blanket defences in the other game caused a lot of soloing and lateral running, whereas the ball was being moved on a lot more in the Munster game.

As a neutral in this argument, I can say that I would rather watch Kerry any day of the week rather than any Ulster county. Kerry might use the blanket defence occasionally when much needed but generally they set their teams out in the traditional way and aim to attack.

Tyrone dont quite deserve to be tarred with the same brush as most of the other Ulster counties, as some of their attacking play has been excellent in past years. However, they still set their teams out to be defensive and are the master's of the swarm defence. They are the emblem of the changeover in this recent decade of the athlete becoming more important than the footballer and of tactics outweighing skill. The 2003 semi clip of them swarming D O'Cineaide et al, surrounding them with each getting their seperate hits in (a foul btw), will live long in the memory as a dark day for the sport.

jafallon (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 02/06/2010 08:56:48    665087

nok02
County: USA
Posts: 118


I suggest you look at the same link now once again your wrong.



Wrong again? haha...your gas with you one line answers as usual when you can't back up what you say....

two SEPERATE PCITURES DELL!.... unless ders a flow in play to prove they are at the same time I'm afraid your wrong with your facts, much like when you wer spouting the rubbish telling everyone to check their ''facts'' on about MULLIGAN being man of the match in the 08 final, then when you were corrected by a FELLOW TYRONE poster that indeed DOOHER was mom, you neglected to return and accept defeat. Then again you would expect that from someone living in Meath going only to two big champo games a year.



I asked for a number of links as you said kerry have being doing it for years...still haven't got them...


Please Delly....provide the links backing up what you say...or don't comment (you repeatedly say this to people). Your total dislike of everything Kerry is quiet boring at this stage.

I for one as Kerry poster applaud Tyrone for their tactics and admire what they have done but in no way hate everything they've done. I love Mickey Heart for his tactical shrewdness. I think Tyrone will most likely be their challenging this year but my own county will be caught out.

nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 02/06/2010 09:32:01    665109

All teams hand pass a lot regardless of the province.

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 02/06/2010 10:07:58    665139

The ball to be used at the World Cup finals has come under more criticism from England stopper David James and Australia's Mark Schwarzer.

The 'Jabulani' has faced fire from all quarters by teams preparing for the South Africashowpiece in friendly matches, with complaints about the flight and weight of the ball.

The altitude of some of the venues in South Africa is said to have added to the problem.

Spain and Italy goalkeepers Iker Casillas and Gianluigi Buffon have already voiced concern, and Premier League duo James and Schwarzer have now added their voice to their debate.

James, expected to be included in Fabio Capello's starting XI for England's Group C opener against the USA, described it as 'horrible'.

He said: "The ball is dreadful. It's horrible, but it's horrible for everyone. You saw from Frank (Lampard)'s free-kick in the first half against Japan which dipped wickedly, so it'll be interesting." SURE BUT WE CAN BLAME IT ON ULSTER!

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 02/06/2010 10:17:27    665147

The only reason there was more handpassing in the Kerry Tipp game compared to the Derry Armagh one was because the ball was in play for far longer in the Kerry game. Also the blanket defences in the other game caused a lot of soloing and lateral running, whereas the ball was being moved on a lot more in the Munster game.

As a neutral in this argument, I can say that I would rather watch Kerry any day of the week rather than any Ulster county. Kerry might use the blanket defence occasionally when much needed but generally they set their teams out in the traditional way and aim to attack.

Tyrone dont quite deserve to be tarred with the same brush as most of the other Ulster counties, as some of their attacking play has been excellent in past years. However, they still set their teams out to be defensive and are the master's of the swarm defence. They are the emblem of the changeover in this recent decade of the athlete becoming more important than the footballer and of tactics outweighing skill. The 2003 semi clip of them swarming D O'Cineaide et al, surrounding them with each getting their seperate hits in (a foul btw), will live long in the memory as a dark day for the sport.
jafallon , 02/06/2010 at 08:56

Right so its not the handpassing that ye don't like about Ulster football. Would ye mind greatly if ye could all get your story straight about why it is ye dislike Ulster football? That way we can discuss without get-out cards for every angle possible and the discussion doesn't just effectively boil down to "We just don't like it"

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12456 - 02/06/2010 10:40:37    665170

Nobody except the original poster is trying to blame ulster for everything. Maybe ye should read all of the posts before ye post yourselves.

I as a lover of the game am worried about the increasing negativity in the game. Nobody wants to see football like the derry armagh game, week in week out. Its boring, slow and negative. Why was this game so bad when you have some of the finest forwards in ireland playing (the two bradleys, stevie mcdonnell. etc)?
The tyrone and antrim game was a good game because both managers went out to play football, unlike armagh and derry.

I think this kind of negativity is an ulster problem and its ruining the game.

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 02/06/2010 11:10:29    665197