RTE pannelists can't count past 9 when it comes to analysing football!
ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 31/05/2010 16:58:10
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Lads its simple, play hurling.
bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 31/05/2010 17:02:19
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ochonlir County: Cavan Posts: 681
663240 your post dosen't make sense
a tyrone poster was dissing the carlow poster on the basis of their lack of success
my post means that prior to the all ireland wins Tyrone people had opinions
You'll find that it was a Down poster and a Mayo poster who were "dissing" Carlow as you put it. My post suggested that Tyrone were hardly bereft of success before 2003. In terms of All Irelands maybe but quite a few Ulster titles would indicate to me that we were hardly starved of success.
omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 31/05/2010 17:06:39
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corrinshego County: Armagh Posts: 298
663271 Someone said kerry and tipp both tried to play football. Their match had 80 handpasses more than Armagh v Derry! _________________________________
Its not about how many handpasses there is in a game its the mentality of the teams. Neither tipp or Kerry went out to get 13 men behind the ball and let their free taker score 90% of their scores.
patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 31/05/2010 17:32:48
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patmcgee County: Longford Posts: 122
Hello kerry used the blanket defence for years before armagh and tyrone decided to use it . Maybe you should go back and watch few of there games.
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 31/05/2010 17:39:43
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Lads is it ok to blame ulster for tipp loosing yesterday too as I'm having trouble comming up with excuses!
Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 31/05/2010 17:46:19
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Dellboypolecat County: Tyrone Posts: 11311
Hello kerry used the blanket defence for years before armagh and tyrone decided to use it . Maybe you should go back and watch few of there games. ______________________
Im not having a go at all of ulster! all im saying is I dont like the way football is going its ruining the game as a spectacle. The great Tyrone team 0f 03, 05 and 07 attacked and defended as a unit and their football was great to watch, as good as any. What teams nowadays especially in ulster are doing is defending as a unit but not so much attacking so there will be 13 men behind the ball meaning the games will be low scoring and the free takers score nearly all the scores. It isnt just an ulster thing though, westmeath played with a centre half forward who played full back for the last few years.
Are you trying to tell me that Kerry ever went out to put 13 men behind the ball and defend for most of the game?
patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 31/05/2010 18:11:04
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ochonlir County: Cavan Posts: 681
662713 the poster from Carlow has every right to voice his opinion and it belittles those who are trying to deny him that right ---------------------------
Expressing his opinion is one thing, coming out with rediculous derogatory sweeping statements without any kind of justification is not a right.
blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 31/05/2010 18:45:26
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patmcgee County: Longford Posts: 123
Are you trying to tell me that Kerry ever went out to put 13 men behind the ball and defend for most of the game?
Am not trying to tell you i am telling you they did and started to do that again.
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 31/05/2010 19:13:32
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blu County: Down Posts: 923 Expressing his opinion is one thing, coming out with rediculous derogatory sweeping statements without any kind of justification is not a right. ainly down to us.
Agree, I am from Carlow too and think what he said was utter rubbish. Ulster is no worse than anywhere else for the handpassing. Ironic thing is as bad as we know we are in Carlow, i am sure we are one of the worst offenders for handpassing. I'd love to see the stats from the Carlow/Wicklow game as I bet that had a lot more handpasses than most Ulster games, and that would be mainly down to us as that is our style too without being anywhere near as successful sadly.
The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 1114 - 31/05/2010 19:19:59
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Dellboypolecat County: Tyrone Posts: 11313
Am not trying to tell you i am telling you they did and started to do that again. __________________________
There is no way you can make a wild statement like that without backing it up with some evidence. When have they been putting 13 men behind the ball and defending for most of the game? I admit i havent seen many of their league matches this year but i have seen most of their championship matches for the last few years. prove your point please.
patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 31/05/2010 19:40:27
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Ulsterman County: Antrim Posts: 2017
662941 Carlow doesn't even sound like an Irish county, it is usually the name of the dopey clown in a circus with the big red nose and curly ginger wig. Does ANYONE know where Carlow is and how to get to it? In a quiz it's always Carlow that people can't get when they are asked to name the 32 counties......which shows how inconsequential and irrelevant the county is. Talking of clowns how is Carlow football this weather? Furthermore it has the funniest most awful kit in Gaelic Games, like someone threw all their colours into a wash with a white shirt..............and out came the Carlow top
ANTRIM HAHAHAHAHA, the further north ya go the more depressing it is.......any craic up there, no silly question probably not
wildrover (Carlow) - Posts: 242 - 31/05/2010 21:33:17
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ochonlir County: Cavan Posts: 681
663240 your post dosen't make sense
a tyrone poster was dissing the carlow poster on the basis of their lack of success
my post means that prior to the all ireland wins Tyrone people had opinions
You'll find that it was a Down poster and a Mayo poster who were "dissing" Carlow as you put it. My post suggested that Tyrone were hardly bereft of success before 2003. In terms of All Irelands maybe but quite a few Ulster titles would indicate to me that we were hardly starved of success.
you'll find there was a tyrone poster in there and your post just confirmed that you believe that success in a county allows one to comment, which is bull, there are football, or hurling people outside Tyrone, Kerry or Kilkenny
why do tyrone people feel so angry, I would have though that success would have brought happiness?
ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 01/06/2010 09:07:45
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Ochinlor, the Down poster, Blu I think it was made the initial comment about Carlow, backed up by a Mayo man and then Dell simply states he was awaiting his answer (the Carlow man's). I did not suggest that success was a precursor to having an opinion, merely I rebutted your assertion that Tyrone did not have any success pre 2000. I can also assure you that I am not one bit angry as I have numerous other issues to get upset about other than people posting rubbish on an internet forum!!
What does surprise me is that the Carlow man intimates that Ulster football is poor to watch. What I would like to know is in comparison to what? I would accept that the standard is poor at the moment but I would also suggest that Tyrone are anything but poor to watch. The game against Antrim despite not being a classic had 30 scores and a few more near misses. A score on average just over every 2 minutes would not indicate a poor game. In fact bearing in mind the difference in pace between the games, the hurling on sunday produced just 32 scores, but I did not hear any outcry about that.
omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 01/06/2010 13:23:01
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Derry V Armagh - 196 handpasses Tipp V Kerry - 270 handpasses
Maybe the handpass rule should only apply to the Munster championship to help stamp out all the handpassing that goes on in their games
Bo Duke (Tyrone) - Posts: 57 - 01/06/2010 13:31:40
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chicago09 County: Kerry Posts: 36
662302 kerry had no choice but to handpass the ball sure didn't tipperary try to use the ulster style blanket defence when the went in front. same old story.
My God... we've heard it all. Poor old Kerry having to rely on excessive hand passes because Tipp played an overly defensive game, and guess what... its all Ulster's fault. Wise up!
If you knew anything about football you'd realise that excessive hand passing is not a means to counter the blanket defence, but an actual by product of playing that type of game. Kerry are now the foremost practitioners of this type of game in the country and hence their over use of the hand pass. If Kerry were indeed trying to counter the blanket defence (instead of perfecting it themselves which they actually were doing) why in earth would you use the hand pass? Any decent analysist of the game would tell you that hand passing against such a system is self destructive. Instead, quick, route one, long balls designed to by pass the mass of bodies is the only course of action. Cork showed it excellently against Tyrone last year, Donegal deployed it in the early stages against Down, Armagh done it against Derry and Tyrone used it against Armagh.
God help any team you every help manage Chicago09, if that is the depth of your tactical knowledge. But look on the bright side, whenever everyone beats you, you can always find someone to blame... Ulster!
AnFoirGael (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 01/06/2010 14:07:22
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Fair enough Hag, its only right and proper that Ulster accept full responsibility for Tipps defeat.
brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 01/06/2010 14:22:19
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Omaghredhand, I don't think that anyone could argue that ulster football is bad to watch when it is played with the correct balance between attack and defence. The tyrone teams of 03, 05 and 07 were absolutely brilliant to watch, they attacked and defended as a team, mickey harte basically invented total football. The problem is when teams become over defensive, which means you could have only two real forwards on the pitch and a half forward line of defenders . It ruins the game as a spectacle.
patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 01/06/2010 14:22:49
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I dont care if kerry use blanket defence... As long as SAM continues to reside here at his home...I couldn't care how we win once we do.
nok02 (USA) - Posts: 534 - 01/06/2010 14:40:20
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This argument is wearing thin now lads, look anyone trying to blame ulster for the handpassing rule is totally disillusioned. I'm not a big fan of ulster football but lets be realistic here, it was the connaught gaa board that suggested the rule so how do people get ulster out of that?? Unbelievable, all you posters from tipp and offaly and carlow dare i say need to catch yourselves on, if the handpassing game was invented down in one of your own counties and you had of won a few all-irelands by using this tactic just like tyrone and armagh then i can guarantee you that there wouldn't be half as much complaining, wise up lads!!
I_agree (Mayo) - Posts: 58 - 01/06/2010 14:40:35
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